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UNEMPLOYED people are $342 worse off a year on average than they were when federal Labor came to power because their living costs have been rising faster than the dole. Sad

Despite a political focus on working families, cost-of-living pressures have been pushing the unemployed into poverty at an alarming rate, with Australia now facing international pressure to increase the Newstart allowance.

An analysis of Bureau of Statistics figures by Canberra-based think tank the Australia Institute shows living costs of people on government benefits leapt by 12.8 per cent between June 2007 and September 2010.


Yet, in that time, the government raised the Newstart allowance by 10 per cent to take into account general price increases. That leaves the unemployed 2.8 per cent - $342 a year - worse off in real terms since 2007.

The institute's senior researcher David Richardson said Newstart was inadequate, creating incentives for people to claim the more generous disability support pension just to survive.

''The unemployed were hard hit by increases in housing, finance and insurance services, as well as alcohol and tobacco,'' Mr Richardson said. Sad

A report released by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development this month warned Newstart has fallen so far behind living costs that there were ''concerns about its adequacy'' to support people and help them find jobs.

Australian Council of Social Service chief executive Cassandra Goldie said the growing gap between social security payments had to close to stop more people plunging into poverty.

''The Newstart Allowance for unemployed people is just $235 per week, over $130 per week less than the pension,'' Dr Goldie said. Shocked

''This impoverishes those on Newstart and discourages those on pensions from seeking a job in case they end up on Newstart.''

But a spokeswoman for Jobs Minister Chris Evans said unemployment allowances could be only ''at a basic level''. ''Otherwise it will be unaffordable and act as a disincentive to work.''

The OECD said Australia had one of the least generous systems of benefits among rich nations. Angry

ABS figures show those on benefits typically spend 19.2 per cent of their incomes on housing, compared with 11.5 per cent for those with jobs and 16.8 per cent for pensioners.
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Job seekers in poverty as dole loses buying power Sad


UNEMPLOYED people are $342 worse off a year on average than they were when federal Labor came to power because their living costs have been rising faster than the dole. Sad

Despite a political focus on working families, cost-of-living pressures have been pushing the unemployed into poverty at an alarming rate, with Australia now facing international pressure to increase the Newstart allowance.

An analysis of Bureau of Statistics figures by Canberra-based think tank the Australia Institute shows living costs of people on government benefits leapt by 12.8 per cent between June 2007 and September 2010.


Yet, in that time, the government raised the Newstart allowance by 10 per cent to take into account general price increases. That leaves the unemployed 2.8 per cent - $342 a year - worse off in real terms since 2007.

The institute's senior researcher David Richardson said Newstart was inadequate, creating incentives for people to claim the more generous disability support pension just to survive.

''The unemployed were hard hit by increases in housing, finance and insurance services, as well as alcohol and tobacco,'' Mr Richardson said. Sad

A report released by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development this month warned Newstart has fallen so far behind living costs that there were ''concerns about its adequacy'' to support people and help them find jobs.

Australian Council of Social Service chief executive Cassandra Goldie said the growing gap between social security payments had to close to stop more people plunging into poverty.

''The Newstart Allowance for unemployed people is just $235 per week, over $130 per week less than the pension,'' Dr Goldie said. Shocked

''This impoverishes those on Newstart and discourages those on pensions from seeking a job in case they end up on Newstart.''

But a spokeswoman for Jobs Minister Chris Evans said unemployment allowances could be only ''at a basic level''. ''Otherwise it will be unaffordable and act as a disincentive to work.''

The OECD said Australia had one of the least generous systems of benefits among rich nations. Angry

ABS figures show those on benefits typically spend 19.2 per cent of their incomes on housing, compared with 11.5 per cent for those with jobs and 16.8 per cent for pensioners.




Was there any invcrease in unemployment benefits from 2009/10 to 2010/11?

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The Newstart (No start) Allowance for unemployed people is just $235 per week, over $130 per week less than the pension, Dr Goldie said. Shocked
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The Newstart (No start) Allowance for unemployed people is just $235 per week, over $130 per week less than the pension, Dr Goldie said. Shocked



What were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?
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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:07am
 
That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.
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That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.  



The 2009 June figure is relevant.
It is meaningless to mention the unemployment with the pension.
Address one issue at a time.
So what was the June 2009 unemployment rate.
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Reply #6 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:14am
 
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Do you really mean to say that you receive $12,220 per year for doing NOTHING?

My entire annual personal income tax is wasted on FOUR BLUDGERS!

That is WRONG!!!! Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #7 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:19am
 
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That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.  



Of COURSE it should. It should have been done long ago.

No-Start recips have not had an increase, in REAL term, since the days of the Hawke govt.

I don't give a peking Duck what the conservatives, the idiotic 'get-a-job' brigade
and the unemployed-haters say, successive governments are committing
a CRIME against the most maligned and disadvantaged in our societyby not increasing
No-Start to the SAME rate as the pension.

And this BS about not giving an increase as it's a disincentive to
work, or 'it's only supposed to be short-term', or 'let them survive
on their savings' is EXACTLY that.....BULLSHYTE.
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Reply #8 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:21am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:14am:
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The Newstart (No start) Allowance for unemployed people is just $235 per week, over $130 per week less than the pension, Dr Goldie said. Shocked



Do you really mean to say that you receive $12,220 per year for doing NOTHING?

My entire annual personal income tax is wasted on FOUR BLUDGERS!

That is WRONG!!!! Angry Angry Angry Angry




No. It's not.


But your attitude, and the attitude of those like you, most certainly IS wrong.
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Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:13am:
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That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.  



The 2009 June figure is relevant.
It is meaningless to mention the unemployment with the pension.
Address one issue at a time.
So what was the June 2009 unemployment rate.



Abot FOUR F@CKING DOLLARS less than it is now.

A crime against the unemployed.

And it is NOT meaningless to mention the unemployed with pensioners.

They have the SAME living expenses, they NEED the SAME rate of benefit.
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Reply #10 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:24am
 
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:23am:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:13am:
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That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.  



The 2009 June figure is relevant.
It is meaningless to mention the unemployment with the pension.
Address one issue at a time.
So what was the June 2009 unemployment rate.



Abot FOUR F@CKING DOLLARS less than it is now.

A crime.




And how much is that?

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The unemployed have every right to their benefits.  Angry  There are rules they must follow, in order for them to get their benefits.
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**A report released by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development this month warned Newstart has fallen so far behind living costs that there were ''concerns about its adequacy'' to support people and help them find jobs.**


Concerns? Adequacy?


It is NOT 'adequate', no-where NEAR it, in fact.

And hasn't been for a LONG time. TOO LONG!

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Reply #13 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:28am
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:24am:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:23am:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:13am:
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That is one and a half years ago.  Whatever it was up to now, in any case is far to low.  Dr Goldie says that the unemployment benefit is  $130 per week less than the pension.  The pensioners say that their benefits are to low.  Should the Newstart benefit, be brought into line with the pension benefit, in order for the unemployed to make ends meet?.  



The 2009 June figure is relevant.
It is meaningless to mention the unemployment with the pension.
Address one issue at a time.
So what was the June 2009 unemployment rate.



Abot FOUR F@CKING DOLLARS less than it is now.

A crime.




And how much is that?




Current rate is in the opening post.

YOU do the maths.
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The biggest problem is that the ignorant, the self-centred, the greedy
and those seriously lacking in compassion will NEVER learn, and will
NEVER accept the shocking reality of struggling on No-Start, until
they find themselves in that position.


Those who judge a person's worth, simply based on whether he/she
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**in that time, the government raised the Newstart allowance by 10 per cent to take into account general price increases**


I don't know whether that's a mistake, or a lie....

but they DIDN'T.

No-where NEAR it.
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I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?
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Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



Well how much dole were you getting paid in 2009? Tell us!
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Well as those that are on unemployment benefits are unable to mention how much that they were being paid in June 2009, then how can they even contemplate the notion that they are losing their buying power.
They wouldn't even know themselves.
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Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:48am:
Well as those that are on unemployment benefits are unable to mention how much that they were being paid in June 2009, then how can they even contemplate the notion that they are losing their buying power.
They wouldn't even know themselves.



Maybe they can only buy half as many cans of baked beans now, and their rents, interest rates, gas, petrol and all things else have gone up. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that your money isn't going as far as it did a year ago. Any more stupid questions troll?
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Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.

There....simple question answered (again).


No-where near enough to live on then.

And it's no-where near enough to live on now, especially

when the ridiculous price-rises since then are factored in.
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Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:36pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 11:33am:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:48am:
Well as those that are on unemployment benefits are unable to mention how much that they were being paid in June 2009, then how can they even contemplate the notion that they are losing their buying power.
They wouldn't even know themselves.



Maybe they can only buy half as many cans of baked beans now, and their rents, interest rates, gas, petrol and all things else have gone up. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that your money isn't going as far as it did a year ago. Any more stupid questions troll?



The point is, dole bludging SHOULDN`T be a lucrative career!
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Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.



How much are unemployment benefits now?
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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:44pm
 

A question.....


Any one of us/you could become unemployed at ANY time.

Would it then be acceptable to call YOU 'lazy', or 'bludgers', or 'druggies', simply
because you are temporarily out of work?

Or to keep insisting that you never HAVE worked?

No?

Well, stop doing it to those who are currently out of work.

It doesn't become you, and is offensive and factually wrong.
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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:46pm
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.



How much are unemployment benefits now?



READ THE OPENING POST!!!!!

I'm not a research assistant!
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aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:36pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 11:33am:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:48am:
Well as those that are on unemployment benefits are unable to mention how much that they were being paid in June 2009, then how can they even contemplate the notion that they are losing their buying power.
They wouldn't even know themselves.



Maybe they can only buy half as many cans of baked beans now, and their rents, interest rates, gas, petrol and all things else have gone up. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that your money isn't going as far as it did a year ago. Any more stupid questions troll?



The point is, dole bludging SHOULDN`T be a lucrative career!



No, the point is that the unemployed should have the same
right to have a home, decent food, and pay their bills as you have.

It is NOT fair to punish people for being out of work.

Satanlink know who the bludgers are, and who is genuine, you don't.

So the unemployed should be given a fair payment, THEN
Satanlink can cut the benefits of those who won't work, without
making those who are willing suffer.

But the more they suffer, the more some of you seem to enjoy putting them down.
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Reply #26 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm
 
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.



How much are unemployment benefits now?



READ THE OPENING POST!!!!!

I'm not a research assistant!




The OP refers to Newstart Allowance, is that Unemployment benefits?

Not being unemployed I wouldn't know what the official term is.
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Reply #27 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 1:50pm
 

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.



How much are unemployment benefits now?



READ THE OPENING POST!!!!!

I'm not a research assistant!




The OP refers to Newstart Allowance, is that Unemployment benefits?

Not being unemployed I wouldn't know what the official term is.


Being a Lib voter, you'd be more familiar with the derogatory term 'Dole' - as incorporated into the Howard Govt's despicably-named 'Work for the Dole' demonisation, vilification and enslavement policy...
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"The unemployed were hard hit by increases in housing, finance and insurance services, as well as alcohol and tobacco,'' Mr Richardson said.


Well, the unemployed can start saving quite a bit straight away by ditching the alcohol and tobacco. Hardly necessities of life, I would think.

Having said that, I do agree that the dole needs to be increased.
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Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 9:35am:
The biggest problem is that the ignorant, the self-centred, the greedy
and those seriously lacking in compassion will NEVER learn, and will
NEVER accept the shocking reality of struggling on No-Start, until
they find themselves in that position.


Those who judge a person's worth, simply based on whether he/she
has a job or not, really don't have opinions that are valid
or worth considering, as a rule.




How do you expect people to understand your concerns when you give responses like you have?
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Reply #30 - Nov 28th, 2010 at 2:31pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 1:50pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 10:01am:
I can understand why some people are on unemployment benefits.
They just cannot answer a simple question

How much were the unemployment benefits in June 2009?



$453.00 per fortnight.



How much are unemployment benefits now?



READ THE OPENING POST!!!!!

I'm not a research assistant!




The OP refers to Newstart Allowance, is that Unemployment benefits?

Not being unemployed I wouldn't know what the official term is.


Being a Lib voter, you'd be more familiar with the derogatory term 'Dole' - as incorporated into the Howard Govt's despicably-named 'Work for the Dole' demonisation, vilification and enslavement policy...



Is Newstart Allowance the same as Unemployment Benefits?
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Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 2:31pm:
Is Newstart Allowance the same as Unemployment Benefits?


Perhaps you should re-phrase your rhetorical question as follows: -

Is Newstart Allowance the same as Unemployment Benefits and/or the same as the Dole!?

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Equitist wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 2:38pm:
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Nov 28th, 2010 at 2:31pm:
Is Newstart Allowance the same as Unemployment Benefits?


Perhaps you should re-phrase your rhetorical question as follows: -

Is Newstart Allowance the same as Unemployment Benefits and/or the same as the Dole!?





That may confuse them, as they have enough difficulty of answering a simple yes or no with the question already
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