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Reply #60 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:37pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:33pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
My father's advice to me was -

Borrow for items that will appreciate in value

Pay outright for items which depreciate

I've stuck to that and I've done quite well.

I don't think people should be borrowing to buy white and electrical goods. It doesn't make economic sense.


So what did your old man say about borrowing to buy at the top of a price bubble before it bursts ?



Nails, you should have asked WHEN Andrei bought his house...before making a 'bubble burst' comment....don't you think???



Also LN, I have less than A$50k left on a $500k mortgage and have a property in a nice suburb to my name.

Let's just say if you are happy good on you, I too am happy with my purchase and when I bought.

Last value was it was worth $200k more than I paid.
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Reply #61 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!
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Reply #62 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:37pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:33pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
My father's advice to me was -

Borrow for items that will appreciate in value

Pay outright for items which depreciate

I've stuck to that and I've done quite well.

I don't think people should be borrowing to buy white and electrical goods. It doesn't make economic sense.


So what did your old man say about borrowing to buy at the top of a price bubble before it bursts ?



Nails, you should have asked WHEN Andrei bought his house...before making a 'bubble burst' comment....don't you think???



Also LN, I have less than A$50k left on a $500k mortgage and have a property in a nice suburb to my name.

Let's just say if you are happy good on you, I too am happy with my purchase and when I bought.

Last value was it was worth $200k more than I paid.


Well your's must be the exception to the rule. I've heard the complete opposite that the more expensive ones are taking a bigger hit. Time will tell though Wink
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Reply #63 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:56pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


What are you talking about??

When did Harvey 'go to the public for funds'????

All he asked for was similar taxation for online sales as for retail sales...
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Reply #64 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:00pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


What are you talking about??

When did Harvey 'go to the public for funds'????

All he asked for was similar taxation for online sales as for retail sales...


HARVEY NORMAN HOLDINGS LIMITED (HVN)

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=HVN
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Reply #65 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:05pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


What are you talking about??

When did Harvey 'go to the public for funds'????

All he asked for was similar taxation for online sales as for retail sales...


HARVEY NORMAN HOLDINGS LIMITED (HVN)

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=HVN



Oh nails, that's just sad...even for you....

Taking the company public is normal for almost every company...And it's NOT 'asking for public money'....it's offering to allow the public to share in the company profits..Totally different idea...
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Re: Gerry Harvey Calls For GST On Online Purchases.
Reply #66 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:11pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


What are you talking about??

When did Harvey 'go to the public for funds'????

All he asked for was similar taxation for online sales as for retail sales...


HARVEY NORMAN HOLDINGS LIMITED (HVN)

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=HVN



Oh nails, that's just sad...even for you....

Taking the company public is normal for almost every company...And it's NOT 'asking for public money'....it's offering to allow the public to share in the company profits..Totally different idea...



I cannot believe for a moment he is being serious there....

Surely he knows the difference.
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Reply #67 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Oh nails, that's just sad...even for you....

Taking the company public is normal for almost every company...And it's NOT 'asking for public money'....it's offering to allow the public to share in the company profits..Totally different idea...


Looks like shrewd old Gerry is using online sellers as his punching bag for an otherwise poor share price Wink

http://www.smh.com.au/business/poor-gerry-harvey--tell-him-hes-dreaming-20101124...

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Poor Gerry Harvey - tell him he's dreaming

Date: November 24 2010

Michael Pascoe

Poor little Gerry Harvey says he can't make a profit selling televisions. Well don't then. Scratch any red-blooded free-market-loving capitalist and you'll find someone who either wants a monopoly or government assistance.

And as for those damned sneaky little consumers daring to circumvent rapacious landlords, retailers' mark-ups and a little GST by shopping overseas on the internet, the Harvey Norman boss wants the ATO to crack down on them before they irrevocably destroy the fabric of Australian society. Oh Gerry, if I didn't know you better, I'd think you'd lost the plot.

Meanwhile it's a sad commentary on how Canberra seems to be driven by populist media rather than policy that Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten even entertains having “to work something out to see if it's administratively feasible” and flip-flops on whether he meant it.

In an age of bland, lawyer-vetted CEOs, Gerry Harvey is a journalist's dream, being both colourful and bold. Gerry's prepared to have a crack and can normally be relied on for a pithy quote or ten. He's always been a likable character – at least if you're not in business against him.

He's also been very good value for his shareholders over the years. Unlike the Murdochs and Lowys, for example, Gerry relies on his dominant shareholding to generate his wealth rather than paying himself an eye-watering salary to cover minimal dividends or poor performance.

And Gerry Harvey has always had a genuine gift for PR as the face of Harvey Norman, right from the early days of the “we're gonna beat ya” battle with Alan Bond's Waltons after the takeover of Norman Ross.

So blasting internet shoppers is a lot more fun than just concentrating on the Harvey Norman share price being pretty much where it was five years ago, paying too much for Clive Peeters, explaining international excursions that range from not great to terrible, facing up to the painful competition from JB Hi-Fi and dealing with a lull in consumer demand. Yep, let's talk about GST – even though Gerry admits the international internet stuff doesn't really have much direct impact on Harvey Norman.


Never mind that there's plenty of nonsense around about internet shopping and little in the way of hard figures beyond the surge in Australia Post deliveries as our dollar soared. Would you trust Australian retailers' guesstimate of international internet shopping when they're pushing their own protectionist barrow? No, I wouldn't either.

The rational approach taken by the Australian Tax Office is that trying to collect GST on internet purchases of under $1000 isn't worth the candle and the dollar-induced surge.

Besides, if you've tried your hand at internet retailing, you'd know shipping costs on most things tend to at least balance out the GST factor. And most shoppers are blowing another couple of percent on PayPal or credit card foreign exchange fees. What getting on the web or travelling overseas indicates is that there are a pile of other factors that just might be making shopping elsewhere cheaper.

In a relatively few categories – books, most obviously – Australian consumers pay a protectionism premium. (And for books it can be a large premium for the sake of the rent-seeking by the mainly foreign-owned publishers and a handful of high-profile authors who managed to attract Canberra's sympathy.)

More broadly, shopping on the net can be cheaper because it potentially circumvents a host of middlemen and infrastructure costs – whether the virtual store is foreign or local.

Our biggest retailers are themselves pushing further up the supply chain, seeking to cut out importers by dealing directly with foreign manufacturers. After a couple of hundred years of approved importers doing nicely out of their franchises, their rent-seeking is being steadily eroded. Bad luck for them, good luck for everyone else.

A bigger problem then for Australian retailers then is their real estate expense. An efficient internet retailer doesn't have the costs of a High Street shop to maintain – or Westfield's typically ruthless rent increases to absorb. There is nothing for Australia to be proud about in having some of the world's most expensive retail space.

While there's no end of focus on residential real estate, retail is priced even more wildly with landlords having an expectation of ever-increasing rent that often has little reference to business conditions. From the malls to the suburban strips, it's more likely to be the rent that sends a shop broke than a few internet shoppers avoiding GST.

In a broader and more rational market, equilibrium is reached between internet and High Street shopping. Amazon, despite having no shop front costs, hasn't wiped out America's book shops, but it has made them better.......


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Reply #68 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:14pm
 
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What might be a bigger challenge for Australia's retailers is that they generally haven't been able to make the internet work efficiently for themselves yet. Established retailers are fumbling around much like newspaper publishers trying to work out the mix between print and internet. I've just checked the Harvey Norman site – as far as I can work out, I can't buy anything on it. Gerry Harvey tried the web and found it didn't work for him as a direct channel, so the site just exists to try to drive traffic to local stores.

The change that the internet brings is universal. Just as video tape changed the way we watched movies, followed by DVDs, followed by direct streaming, followed by whatever comes next, winners and losers are created. Too bad if you invested in a Beta video rental library. Maybe too bad if you currently rent DVDs. Unless your particular industry is concentrated in a marginal seat or one represented by an independent during a time of minority government, you adapt and profit or go the way of the dinosaurs. That's what's supposed to happen in a free market economy.

Gerry Harvey knows that. His franchise model was an adaption that itself had an impact on retailing. Now there are competitors, both online and in stores, that are doing some parts of it better. GST has nothing to do with it. For the sake of the Harvey Norman furniture operation, he'd be better off asking how come IKEA manages to pay so little tax.

Of course, if there was genuine concern about an entirely feasible and efficient reform to prevent erosion of the tax base, we could wipe out the duty free allowance enjoyed by those privileged enough to travel internationally. And they don't pay GST either. How much revenue is lost? I dunno, but, gee, it could be a billion dollars or so – the same amount that the retailers reckon is foregone on GST through international internet shopping.

But I somehow guess the airport and duty free retail lobby is too well connected to ever let an idea like that run. Instead, we'll cop whinges from retailers pretending they're concerned about the GST tax base. They weren't concerned about the cost to taxpayers of the cash splash.
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Reply #69 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:24pm
 
So??? he still hasn't asked for a government bailout has he???

How is this different from your threads, complaining that the Government didn't give a contract for EVs to a tiny company in Victoria, that has only existed for 4 years,and only produces 5 cars a year???
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Reply #70 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:26pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:11pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


What are you talking about??

When did Harvey 'go to the public for funds'????

All he asked for was similar taxation for online sales as for retail sales...


HARVEY NORMAN HOLDINGS LIMITED (HVN)

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/research/companyInfo.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=HVN



Oh nails, that's just sad...even for you....

Taking the company public is normal for almost every company...And it's NOT 'asking for public money'....it's offering to allow the public to share in the company profits..Totally different idea...



I cannot believe for a moment he is being serious there....

Surely he knows the difference.


Unfortunately THAT is serious for nails...
No I don't think he does..
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Reply #71 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!




Nail - he's not even selling goods - he's selling credit.
His aim is to get suckers into debt & make a commission on it.
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Reply #72 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:53pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:24pm:
So??? he still hasn't asked for a government bailout has he???

How is this different from your threads, complaining that the Government didn't give a contract for EVs to a tiny company in Victoria, that has only existed for 4 years,and only produces 5 cars a year???


I never said that he wants a Government bailout but he certainly wants Government intervention.

And how is it different simply because the dude making EV's here is actually adding high value to a home grown product whereas people of the likes of Gerry GE are just a front for chinese made imported goods who can't handle simple competition from some backyarder on ebay.

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Reply #73 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:42pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
LOL nails, Gerry's just a business man....How long do you think it's been since he left his office and actually dealt with a customer???

That's what the company hires sales staff for...


He doesn't have a business. If his business is so good then why does he need to go to the public for funds ?? Aldis don't need to do it !!

I'm often perplexed why these Australian retailers who flog imported goods made in chinese sweat shops feel the need to go to the public to raise funds !!  Funds for what ?? They are not making or manufacturing anything !!


Nail - he's not even selling goods - he's selling credit.
His aim is to get suckers into debt & make a commission on it.


Yep he is a front man for GE finance using chinese made imported goods as the bait. What sort of business is that ??

How could people invest in that ?
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Reply #74 - Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:59pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25th, 2010 at 1:11pm:
I cannot believe for a moment he is being serious there....

Surely he knows the difference.


don't be a moron.

the guy has raised hundreds of millions of dollars of funds out of the public on the stock market and still can't compete against a backyarder on ebay without running to the Government for assistance. What does that say about his business ??
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