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Reply #15 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:34pm
 
Yep keep drawing that line in the sand
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Reply #16 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:36pm
 
Wesley made a claim about foetal brain development .

It was wrong.

I corrected it.
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Reply #17 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:36pm
 
I cant believe you are trying to draw comparisons when the guy was never charged and convicted over the death, this is fact.

It may have been a factor in the sentencing, but its not like the sentence was outside the maximum penalty either.

Its a very very very long bow you are drawing, but not a correct one.

Until I seen manslaughter in there, it doesnt compare.
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Reply #18 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:57pm
 
It was included in the judges sentencing summation so it had some weight!
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Reply #19 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:59pm
 
tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:57pm:
It was included in the judges sentencing summation so it had some weight!


Weight for maybe dealing out a sentence closer to the maximum, but the sentence was not higher than the maximum
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Reply #20 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 7:06pm
 
Verge wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:59pm:
tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:57pm:
It was included in the judges sentencing summation so it had some weight!


Weight for maybe dealing out a sentence closer to the maximum, but the sentence was not higher than the maximum




So without that comment then the sentence would have been lighter.
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Reply #21 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 7:55pm
 
tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 7:06pm:
Verge wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:59pm:
tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:57pm:
It was included in the judges sentencing summation so it had some weight!


Weight for maybe dealing out a sentence closer to the maximum, but the sentence was not higher than the maximum




So without that comment then the sentence would have been lighter.


Could very well have been.  They use them in the justifications of the sentencing determination.
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Re: A precedent against voluntary abortion?
Reply #22 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 8:16pm
 
tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:27pm:
Such an attempt to draw a line in the sand is purely artificial, what we do know is that life begins at conception.


Well... According to the bible, God is behind the begining of life.
According to science, life began long before god.


tickfen wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:27pm:
And that is where the human begins its cycle.


Ahhh, some humanism (embryoism/fetusism), or is that religion talking?

So does every human (embryo/fetus) deserve the right to 'live', as they do the right to 'life'?

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Reply #23 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 8:50pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 6:36pm:
Wesley made a claim about foetal brain development .

It was wrong.

I corrected it.




Not it wasn't and no you didn't.

All very well listing the timeline when the (existing brain) gains certian functions, bu the fact remains that the brain still exists, from about 3 weeks after conception i believe.


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A human aint a human unless it has a brain 



I would hope this is regardless of whether the brian possesses certian functions, otherwise it raises questions over how 'human' you consider the retarded and/or brain damaged in addition to unborn children.
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Reply #24 - Nov 16th, 2010 at 9:04pm
 
No.

I mean a functioning brain and nervous system capable of thought .
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Re: A precedent against voluntary abortion?
Reply #25 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:03am
 
... wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:03pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:02pm:
So you are equating the tragic death of an eight month old foetus that was planned  for and wanted by the parents to removing a cluster of unwanted cells ?




What a lovely way to view the beginning of a new life.





A life you would argue, elsewhere, had no right to exist in the FIRST place




ROAD rage has been blamed for the death of an unborn girl and destroying the dream of a woman who battled to have a baby.

The mother says her de facto wife and two stepdaughters are slowly dealing with the pain allegedly caused by an Indian driver pursuing a man who made an obscene hand gesture.

"My de facto wife and I lost our little girl . . . I don't want our family to be invisible (but) we have enough pain and injuries to deal with," she said.

The 33-year-old woman said she had tried for four years to conceive through an assisted pregnancy program.

"My de facto wife (I can't call her my wife because in this country we cannot marry) and I had spent nearly four years getting to know our sperm donor, undertaking tests and trying to get me pregnant using assisted conception


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mums-pain-as-road-rage-blamed-for-crash/story-e...







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Reply #26 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 9:30am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:03am:
... wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:03pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:02pm:
So you are equating the tragic death of an eight month old foetus that was planned  for and wanted by the parents to removing a cluster of unwanted cells ?




What a lovely way to view the beginning of a new life.





A life you would argue, elsewhere, had no right to exist in the FIRST place




ROAD rage has been blamed for the death of an unborn girl and destroying the dream of a woman who battled to have a baby.

The mother says her de facto wife and two stepdaughters are slowly dealing with the pain allegedly caused by an Indian driver pursuing a man who made an obscene hand gesture.

"My de facto wife and I lost our little girl . . . I don't want our family to be invisible (but) we have enough pain and injuries to deal with," she said.

The 33-year-old woman said she had tried for four years to conceive through an assisted pregnancy program.

"My de facto wife (I can't call her my wife because in this country we cannot marry) and I had spent nearly four years getting to know our sperm donor, undertaking tests and trying to get me pregnant using assisted conception


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mums-pain-as-road-rage-blamed-for-crash/story-e...



It pisses me off no end.  At such a late stage the mongrel should be charged with manslaughter in the minimum.

Makes you really wonder what kind of true remorse the driver has.  In his pursuit to give someone the finger he has destroyed a family and a woman who has carried that baby.

All over cutting someone off.  Really makes you wonder about where this country is heading.

I will say though, highlighting her partner is a non issue Buzz.  I couldnt care less if she was a lesbian or not.  She was an expectant mother, and that is it.  Her sexuality doesnt make it anymore more or less.
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Reply #27 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 9:51am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:03am:
... wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:03pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 5:02pm:
So you are equating the tragic death of an eight month old foetus that was planned  for and wanted by the parents to removing a cluster of unwanted cells ?




What a lovely way to view the beginning of a new life.





A life you would argue, elsewhere, had no right to exist in the FIRST place




ROAD rage has been blamed for the death of an unborn girl and destroying the dream of a woman who battled to have a baby.

The mother says her de facto wife and two stepdaughters are slowly dealing with the pain allegedly caused by an Indian driver pursuing a man who made an obscene hand gesture.

"My de facto wife and I lost our little girl . . . I don't want our family to be invisible (but) we have enough pain and injuries to deal with," she said.

The 33-year-old woman said she had tried for four years to conceive through an assisted pregnancy program.

"My de facto wife (I can't call her my wife because in this country we cannot marry) and I had spent nearly four years getting to know our sperm donor, undertaking tests and trying to get me pregnant using assisted conception


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mums-pain-as-road-rage-blamed-for-crash/story-e...





But it DID exist buzz.
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Reply #28 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 10:00am
 
Wes, just so I know where you stand, are you anti abortion or anti abortion after a certain point?
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Reply #29 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 10:05am
 
I have no problem with abortion in the following circumstances only:

1.  Where the child would have severe deformation or retardation.
2. Where keeping the child would risk the life of the mother.
3. Where the child is the product of rape.



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