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Worst slump in two years hits house auctions !!
Nov 14th, 2010 at 10:29pm
 
How can this be happening in the country that is the economic envy of the world ??

Well here is a clue

Median House prince in 1999 was $181,000 and in 2009 it is $458,000 !!!

Average full-time earnings in 1999 was $38,870 and in 2009 it is $61,807 !!! Go figure !!

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/expect-the-worst-property-auctions-slump/s...

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PROPERTY owners have been told to lower expectations as the auction market hit its worst level in two years.

Revised figures released by the Real Estate Institute of Victoria show the clearance rate last weekend was 59 per cent - two percentage points lower than initially published - because 76 estate agents failed to report properties that had passed in.

This is the lowest level since December 2008, when the market was in the middle of a slump that knocked $67,000 off the median price of a Melbourne house.

The REIV was forced to phone the agents, some of whom said they thought the properties would sell after the auction, to get the missing results during the week.

Auction figures show the number of homes being passed in on vendor bids has doubled over the past year.

Vendor bidding is a practice in which estate agents make up bids on the house they are trying to sell in an attempt to make potential bidders think the property is worth more than they might believe.

Buyers advocate David Morrell, of Morrell and Koren, believes many vendors are chasing rainbows with outdated prices expectations.

"The market is more realistic, especially at the top end," he said.

"The only properties that are not being sold are those with vendors that have expectations that are greedy.

"The public generally are concerned that the market may have peaked or be on a slide backwards.

"There is more choice and, given that Christmas is only weeks away, there is more pressure on vendors to meet purchasers' expectations or end up owning a property until February."

Mr Morrell said buyers are lowering how much they are willing to pay for properties.

REIV spokesman Robert Larocca agrees the high number of properties being passed in on vendor bids shows expectations are ahead of the market.

He said vendors' expectations were most unrealistic in inner areas such as East Melbourne, Pascoe Vale, Brunswick East, Brighton, Thornbury and Elwood.

They were more realistic in Watsonia, Hillside, Bellfield, Viewbank and Windsor, where 90 per cent of homes continue to sell.

The slump comes as property groups renew calls for stamp duty cuts as the only way to ease the burden on new home buyers.

As the state election campaign hit the midway point, Liberal and Labor are under growing pressure to take some action, with claims cutting stamp duty on new homes would cost only $93 million.

The State Government is on track to pocket $3.8 billion this year from stamp duty.

The Housing Industry Association warned housing affordability in Victoria is close to its worst level in recent history as stamp duty is being levied three times on the building of a new home - sale of the land, developer and homebuyer.

HIA Victorian executive director Gil King says first homebuyers pay more stamp duty in Victoria than any other state and multiple charging needs to end.

"We also believe that stamp duty rates should be indexed to keep pace with changing property values and that for first home buyers buying properties below $500,000, stamp duty should be removed, or at least there should be major concessions on stamp duty," he said.
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Here we go again with the housing industry blaming things like stamp duty (and interest rates, which are still at all time lows) for housing affordability problems today while the real reason - HOUSE PRICES (which they are largely responsible for being at the outrageous level they're at) conveniently 'flies under the radar' once more.

I said some time back on another forum that the point would soon be reached where people would no longer be able to - or want to - pay the ridiculous prices (caused purely by GREED) being asked for these days just to have a roof over one's head.

The housing industry should have been heavily regulated years ago. Then, maybe house prices and private rents would not be as unaffordable as they are now and we wouldn't have tens of thousands of Australians on ever increasing public housing waiting lists with many of them living on the streets and in cars, etc.
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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:39am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 10:29pm:
How can this be happening in the country that is the economic envy of the world ??

Well here is a clue

Median House prince in 1999 was $181,000 and in 2009 it is $458,000 !!!

Average full-time earnings in 1999 was $38,870 and in 2009 it is $61,807 !!! Go figure !!

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/expect-the-worst-property-auctions-slump/s...

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PROPERTY owners have been told to lower expectations as the auction market hit its worst level in two years.

Revised figures released by the Real Estate Institute of Victoria show the clearance rate last weekend was 59 per cent - two percentage points lower than initially published - because 76 estate agents failed to report properties that had passed in.

This is the lowest level since December 2008, when the market was in the middle of a slump that knocked $67,000 off the median price of a Melbourne house.

The REIV was forced to phone the agents, some of whom said they thought the properties would sell after the auction, to get the missing results during the week.

Auction figures show the number of homes being passed in on vendor bids has doubled over the past year.

Vendor bidding is a practice in which estate agents make up bids on the house they are trying to sell in an attempt to make potential bidders think the property is worth more than they might believe.

Buyers advocate David Morrell, of Morrell and Koren, believes many vendors are chasing rainbows with outdated prices expectations.

"The market is more realistic, especially at the top end," he said.

"The only properties that are not being sold are those with vendors that have expectations that are greedy.

"The public generally are concerned that the market may have peaked or be on a slide backwards.

"There is more choice and, given that Christmas is only weeks away, there is more pressure on vendors to meet purchasers' expectations or end up owning a property until February."

Mr Morrell said buyers are lowering how much they are willing to pay for properties.

REIV spokesman Robert Larocca agrees the high number of properties being passed in on vendor bids shows expectations are ahead of the market.

He said vendors' expectations were most unrealistic in inner areas such as East Melbourne, Pascoe Vale, Brunswick East, Brighton, Thornbury and Elwood.

They were more realistic in Watsonia, Hillside, Bellfield, Viewbank and Windsor, where 90 per cent of homes continue to sell.

The slump comes as property groups renew calls for stamp duty cuts as the only way to ease the burden on new home buyers.

As the state election campaign hit the midway point, Liberal and Labor are under growing pressure to take some action, with claims cutting stamp duty on new homes would cost only $93 million.

The State Government is on track to pocket $3.8 billion this year from stamp duty.

The Housing Industry Association warned housing affordability in Victoria is close to its worst level in recent history as stamp duty is being levied three times on the building of a new home - sale of the land, developer and homebuyer.

HIA Victorian executive director Gil King says first homebuyers pay more stamp duty in Victoria than any other state and multiple charging needs to end.

"We also believe that stamp duty rates should be indexed to keep pace with changing property values and that for first home buyers buying properties below $500,000, stamp duty should be removed, or at least there should be major concessions on stamp duty," he said.




It's the Rudd/Gillard factor. Seven consecutive interest rate rises and there's the additional bank rate rises by the big 4- which didnt happen under the previous govt.
Our economy was the envy of the western world under Howard and our economy has gone down the gurgler ever since!
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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 5:14am
 
It's the housing bust. Every boom has a bust....eventually. This would have happened over a year ago, except for the FHOG, which kept the prices over inflated. Perth prices have dropped massively in some areas.

It will be interesting to see if the government will think up some way to intervene this time. Maybe, because I'm sure they have the odd investment property that they will need to look after.

I predict the govt. will stick their nose in to keep the housing industry going, after all, that is our main industry.

Where would we be if our housing and mining industries busted in the same year? Mining.....that's another story.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 7:35am
 
Amazingly, yet predictably, I just saw something that went like this....blah blah blah to stimulate the housing economy. No kidding, I didn't get the full story because I was down the gym and it was a sub-title.
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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 11:27am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 7:35am:
Amazingly, yet predictably, I just saw something that went like this....blah blah blah to stimulate the housing economy. No kidding, I didn't get the full story because I was down the gym and it was a sub-title.


so they want to encourage the punters to go into more debt just to keep the bubble inflated just so the real estate scammers can get their pound of flesh !! And all in the name of helping out first home buyers of course Wink LOL

Lets see what can they do ?

- quadruple the first home buyers scam ?

- let more non residents come in and buy up property ?

- give more tax concessions to greedy property speculators and hoarders ?

what a joke this place is Sad
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 5:14am:
It's the housing bust. Every boom has a bust....eventually. This would have happened over a year ago, except for the FHOG, which kept the prices over inflated. Perth prices have dropped massively in some areas.

It will be interesting to see if the government will think up some way to intervene this time. Maybe, because I'm sure they have the odd investment property that they will need to look after.

I predict the govt. will stick their nose in to keep the housing industry going, after all, that is our main industry.

Where would we be if our housing and mining industries busted in the same year? Mining.....that's another story.


Yes the share market has boom and busts as well as corrections all of the time so why doesn't the Government prop that up to stop the bubbles from bursting ?

What vested interest groups are lobbying the Government to keep the property bubble inflated or is this a case that Australia has no other industry than property and resources ? I mean lets face it, we barely manufacture anything any more Sad We even have to import our own food Sad

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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 1:09pm
 
nail you've not read how many properties are being sold to foreigners?? prices will not fall until that is removed from the equation, you can rant and rave all you want but property has doubled in price every 10 years since 1900s.

Today and tomorrow is no different.

You need to find another topic, preferably one you have a clue about.
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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:07pm
 
don't worry .. look like the immigration numbers are not going down soon .. so this will keep the price up for the mean time ..
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From Money Morning....

The Real Estate Institute of Victoria (REIV) announced today:

“The Clearance rate this weekend is 61 per cent, compared to last weekends 59 per cent.

“There were 836 auctions reported this weekend, of which a total of 508 sold and 328 were passed in, 210 of those on a vendors bid.”

Funnily enough, last week the REIV said that “920 [auctions] expected next weekend…”

Which tells you that roughly 10% of the auctions that were supposed to take place this weekend didn’t. Or if they did, the real estate agents don’t want to tell you about them.

In other words, rather than a clearance rate of 61%, you’re looking at a clearance rate closer to 55%. And that’s for Melbourne which is supposed to be the housing auction capital of Australia.

And if you look at the handy chronology of auction results and previews on the Castran Gilbert Real Estate website, you can see how the number of actual auctions taking place each weekend is becoming significantly less than the number predicted the week before.

The trend is telling you that more and more properties are going up for sale, but fewer and fewer are being sold.

You can expect this to get worse as sellers become ever more desperate to flog off their over-leveraged properties… and so much for the property shortage, the REIV says, “over 1000 auctions expected for each of the next three weekends and buyers are more cautious in light of the banks decisions to increase rates above the decision of the RBA.”

The spruikers wouldn’t be worried would they? Of course they are. They’re petrified in fact.

Our old pal Michael Pascoe over at The Age is clearly on edge at the number of housing bubble stories doing the rounds. For instance, he makes the typical mainstream mistake of assuming higher income earners are safe from mortgage stress. He writes:

“As for the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling’s ‘mortgage pressure tipping point’ of 30 per cent of disposable income going on repayments, it means little without consideration of how large that disposable income might be and the other demands on income. If a household takes home $150,000 and chooses to spend $50,000 of it on buying a roof, living on $100,000 is hardly any form of absolute ‘pressure’.”

Really? Obviously Mr. Pascoe doesn’t appreciate that most people tend to live up to and even beyond their means. Which is rather the point about why excessive borrowing is having the impact it is.

Those with $150,000 of disposable income are likely to have the lifestyle of someone with a $200,000 income, just as a $50,000 income lives the life of someone with a $70,000 income – hence the reliance on debt Michael!

Besides, he shouldn’t forget that most of the newbie borrowers, sucked in by the first home buyers bribe are forking out 50%, 60% or more of their income on mortgage repayments.

But perhaps the best way of showing the impact of what’s happening is a chart we came across when we were fiddling around on the Interweb at the weekend. We thought we’d pay a visit to the website of our old pal, Prof. Steve Keen.

Last week the prof wrote an article saying that Australia has already experienced competition in the banking sector, and that further competition wasn’t necessary. Instead of competition:

“What we need are methods to regulate the volumes of debt offered by the banks to stop this happening again, without putting upward pressure on the cost of households have to pay for it. That may sound like an economic impossibility, and it would be if ‘free competition’ between banks were expanded.”

As you know, we believe regulating something is a waste of time. The banks are supposed to be regulated already, but that doesn’t stop them from issuing ever greater amounts of debt so that now the banks have little more than a few cents out of every dollar of depositors’ money on hand to meet their obligations.

This has been the result of manipulation of interest rates which has kept the rate artificially low and encouraged more people to borrow. As Prof Keen notes:

“Be careful also about wanting a lower price – in terms of the margin between the RBA’s base rate and the variable mortgage rate. One way price can be driven down in competition is by offering a lower quality product…”

We couldn’t agree more. But we wouldn’t say that it’s competition that’s to blame. Competition in any part of an economy is always good for the consumer, even in banking.

But it’s the manipulation of the interest rate plus other forms of government interference that is the main cause of excessive borrowing rather than competition.

Anyway, here’s the chart from the Prof that caught our eye:



Source: Debt Deflation


As you can see, since the early 1990’s the value of mortgage debt as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) has gone through the roof.

The Prof states:

“Back when ‘the recession we had to have’ began, mortgage debt was a mere 17% of GDP.”

Now, if you look at the chart, it’s hit almost 90% of GDP. In other words, over a four-fold increase in mortgage debt exposure during the last twenty years.

But the thing that really interested us the most was the comparison with unemployment that the Prof used on the chart. If you put them in a ratio, then in 1990, the amount of mortgage debt against the unemployment rate was about 3:1.

Today, the ratio is around 16:1.

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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:12pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14th, 2010 at 10:29pm:
How can this be happening in the country that is the economic envy of the world ??


Let me guess, the Market growth was getting a bit too high, so they relased a few bad news stories purposely to take the wind out of it?

I've no doubt that the information is correct. I also have little doubt that the timing of the release was strategically sound.
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Reply #11 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:39pm
 
Worst slump in 2 years....wellllll what can anyone say except thats labor for you!
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laborfornever wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 1:09pm:
nail you've not read how many properties are being sold to foreigners?? prices will not fall until that is removed from the equation, you can rant and rave all you want but property has doubled in price every 10 years since 1900s.

Today and tomorrow is no different.

You need to find another topic, preferably one you have a clue about.



LOL....I just worked it out. The first house I bought would be well over a million dollars within the next six years. I can tell you now, it won't be selling for that, or anywhere near it.

That shot your theory to pieces.
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Reply #13 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 5:55pm
 
laborfornever wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 1:09pm:
nail you've not read how many properties are being sold to foreigners?? prices will not fall until that is removed from the equation, you can rant and rave all you want but property has doubled in price every 10 years since 1900s.

Today and tomorrow is no different.

You need to find another topic, preferably one you have a clue about.


is that doubling with or without the first home buyers scam and tax concessions that favour greedy speculators and hoarders ?

Just another one of the gimmicky property myths designed to suck punters into massive debt which way exceeds their meager salaries and ability to pay off Sad




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Reply #14 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:07pm
 
bridonta wrote on Nov 15th, 2010 at 4:07pm:
don't worry .. look like the immigration numbers are not going down soon .. so this will keep the price up for the mean time ..


and they had a house shortage in Japan, California and Ireland and their property bubbles burst as well. But of course property bubbles are always different in Australia because they never ever burst do they Wink LOL

Just wait for the easy line of credit to dry up Wink LOL

Bubble bubble toil of trouble Smiley LOL

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