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Reply #15 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 10:42pm
 
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Any word yet on what they have planned for these two marine parks?
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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2011 at 10:26pm
 
I put this up on the site front page:

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Reply #17 - Feb 7th, 2011 at 4:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 10:26pm:
I put this up on the site front page:

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FD, do you think 3nm is out of reach of recreational fishermen?
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Reply #18 - Feb 7th, 2011 at 8:02pm
 
It depends on the boat, the weather, and the location. (To give you the simple answer).
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Reply #19 - Feb 7th, 2011 at 8:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 8:02pm:
It depends on the boat, the weather, and the location. (To give you the simple answer).



And how about 100 km?
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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2011 at 8:38pm
 
Is this going anywhere?
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Reply #21 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 6:15am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 7th, 2011 at 8:38pm:
Is this going anywhere?


If you recall your own post (front page), you said it was nothing for fishermen to crow about that Commonwealth marine parks off Tasmania are a long way offshore. You said that being in Commonwealth waters they have to be a long way offshore. What you fail to mention is that Commonwealth waters start at 3 nm out, making you point a spurious one (and the fact the marine parks are at least 100 km out).
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Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 7:52pm
 
When you say 100km out, are you excluding the landmass of Tasmania from your measurements?
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Reply #23 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 7:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 7:52pm:
When you say 100km out, are you excluding the landmass of Tasmania from your measurements?


You said yourself that Tasmanian marine parks are a long way offshore are you just going to continue to answer a question with a question?. My understanding is that none of the Commonwealth marine parks in SE Australia are within 100km of the shore. My point stands - if they wished they could put them as close a 3 nm offshore.
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Reply #24 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 8:09pm
 
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My understanding is that none of the Commonwealth marine parks in SE Australia are within 100km of the shore.


That is not correct. I am not sure how close they are to the nearest boat ramp, but they are certainly within 100km of the shore of Tasmania. One I looked at had green zone right along the border of the state/federal waters.
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #25 - Feb 9th, 2011 at 6:11am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2011 at 8:09pm:
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My understanding is that none of the Commonwealth marine parks in SE Australia are within 100km of the shore.


That is not correct. I am not sure how close they are to the nearest boat ramp, but they are certainly within 100km of the shore of Tasmania. One I looked at had green zone right along the border of the state/federal waters.


Well I just looked at the map. most of the parks are well offshore and this is even without allowing for the fact that a minority of their area will be green zones. You are just being misleading to score a point.

http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mpa/southeast/index.html




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Reply #26 - Feb 10th, 2011 at 9:36pm
 
I am the one being misleading? What exactly have I said that is misleading?
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Reply #27 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 6:16am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 10th, 2011 at 9:36pm:
I am the one being misleading? What exactly have I said that is misleading?


Don't be so obtuse FD:

The fishing party and the various lobbies opposed to marine parks must be getting so desperate for validation that they gloat over any crumbs the major parties will feed them. They even hold up some recently created marine parks in Tasmania as evidence of the coalition's pro recreational fishing stance, because they are so far offshore that they don't bother most recreational fishermen. Of course, these parks were established by the federal coalition government in federal waters and were never going to be close to shore anyway.

Now Federal waters start at 3nm. This is not far offshore at all and Federal marine parks therefore have plenty of potential to bother fishermen. In the next breadth you even mention the GBRMP which has caused a great deal of angst amonst fishermen. Don't you realise it took you the next few sentences to contradict your own argument?
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Reply #28 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 9:42pm
 
Before we go any further, do you now concede that the green zones are not all more than 100km out and even go right up to the border of the state/federal waters?
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 6:46am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 9:42pm:
Before we go any further, do you now concede that the green zones are not all more than 100km out and even go right up to the border of the state/federal waters?


No, because you haven't proven they do. Even if they do - big deal. The map shows a few of the parks go up to the 3nm mark but do not show the green zones. You can also see the park area is only small in that close and increases further offshore. Also where the parks come close to shore the area is very remote. On top of that I qualified the remark as something I heard and relating to SE Australia.
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