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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #135 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:29pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
The shooters and fishers party is running the state.


Yeah, great isn't it??
A nice change from the environazis running it..



Not if you can appreciate nature without having to kill it.


I like to camp, fish, hunt (occasionally) and go 4wd driving..


You like to camp, kill, kill and go 4wd driving.

I like to camp and go 4wd'ing without being shot at too.

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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #136 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:29pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
The shooters and fishers party is running the state.


Yeah, great isn't it??
A nice change from the environazis running it..



Not if you can appreciate nature without having to kill it.


I like to camp, fish, hunt (occasionally) and go 4wd driving..


You like to camp, kill, kill and go 4wd driving.

I like to camp and go 4wd'ing without being shot at too.




WTF is wrong with catching a fish and feeding your family with it?

Or popping a few rabbits in the scone for a nice stew?

Are you vegan?
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #137 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:29pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
The shooters and fishers party is running the state.


Yeah, great isn't it??
A nice change from the environazis running it..



Not if you can appreciate nature without having to kill it.


I like to camp, fish, hunt (occasionally) and go 4wd driving..


You like to camp, kill, kill and go 4wd driving.

I like to camp and go 4wd'ing without being shot at too.


Yes, that's basically it...I eat meat and dairy products too, and wear leather shoes, belts and jackets...

And NOW, I can fish, hunt and 4wd drive again..YIPPEE Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #138 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:29pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
The shooters and fishers party is running the state.


Yeah, great isn't it??
A nice change from the environazis running it..



Not if you can appreciate nature without having to kill it.


I like to camp, fish, hunt (occasionally) and go 4wd driving..


You like to camp, kill, kill and go 4wd driving.

I like to camp and go 4wd'ing without being shot at too.



So don't camp or 4wd in posted hunting areas.....or if you do, don't piss the hunters off, and they won't shoot at you
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #139 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
I remember a camping trip I did out west. I was on the ground in a tent in a bit of a depression. It was a heavily used campsite with car tracks everywhere. The others were sleeping on the roof of their 4WD. Around 2am some local bogans started doing burnouts just up the road. The others asked me if I was feeling safe down there on the ground, which was nice of them. Then around 3am the bogans started shooting, so it was my turn to ask the others how safe they were feeling up on the roof.
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #140 - Mar 14th, 2013 at 8:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:01pm:
I remember a camping trip I did out west. I was on the ground in a tent in a bit of a depression. It was a heavily used campsite with car tracks everywhere. The others were sleeping on the roof of their 4WD. Around 2am some local bogans started doing burnouts just up the road. The others asked me if I was feeling safe down there on the ground, which was nice of them. Then around 3am the bogans started shooting, so it was my turn to ask the others how safe they were feeling up on the roof.


I thought they just would have laughed at you because you were sleeping in a depression.

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Reply #141 - Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:06pm
 
We did a thorough risk assessment before setting up camp and decided that it was the most comfortable looking spot.
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Reply #142 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:06am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
We did a thorough risk assessment before setting up camp and decided that it was the most comfortable looking spot.


You keep sleeping in ditches then.

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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #143 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:18am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:46pm:
So don't camp or 4wd in posted hunting areas.....or if you do, don't piss the hunters off, and they won't shoot at you


What are these "posted hunting areas" ?

Are they easy to identify for me, and hunters ?

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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #144 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:49am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:18am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:46pm:
So don't camp or 4wd in posted hunting areas.....or if you do, don't piss the hunters off, and they won't shoot at you


What are these "posted hunting areas" ?

Are they easy to identify for me, and hunters ?



Well given that there aren't all that many areas that allow hunting it shouldn't be hard to work out..

Here's a list of places in NSW
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/portal.asp?p=WhereCanIHunt

But really, almost all serious hunters won't shot near camping areas, and regardless of what the Wilderness Society says, they don't wander around, blasting away at shadows,and noises...Ammo is way too expensive, for a start and in Australia hunter 'cred' is built on accuracy (one shot kills, clean head shots etc) so serious hunters don't fire until they're sure of the target.

The occasional random bogans who DO do stuff like that are at more risk from the serious sportspeople, than you would be.
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #145 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Well given that there aren't all that many areas that allow hunting it shouldn't be hard to work out..

Here's a list of places in NSW
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/portal.asp?p=WhereCanIHunt

But really, almost all serious hunters won't shot near camping areas, and regardless of what the Wilderness Society says, they don't wander around, blasting away at shadows,and noises...Ammo is way too expensive, for a start and in Australia hunter 'cred' is built on accuracy (one shot kills, clean head shots etc) so serious hunters don't fire until they're sure of the target.

The occasional random bogans who DO do stuff like that are at more risk from the serious sportspeople, than you would be.


Its the bogan shooters I'm worried about.

Ive done a fair bit of shooting in my younger days, and its all fine outback on private farms where you know there are no people just wandering around,  but in more built up areas like Wattagans near sydney which is a big 4wd'ing and camping site, it can only end in tears.  Some very good hunters may follow your 'cred' ethic, but even then its easy to be focussed on your target that you forget what is behind it, or what a ricochet off a rock might hit.

Guns, forest and people just dont mix, IMO.

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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #146 - Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:42pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Well given that there aren't all that many areas that allow hunting it shouldn't be hard to work out..

Here's a list of places in NSW
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/portal.asp?p=WhereCanIHunt

But really, almost all serious hunters won't shot near camping areas, and regardless of what the Wilderness Society says, they don't wander around, blasting away at shadows,and noises...Ammo is way too expensive, for a start and in Australia hunter 'cred' is built on accuracy (one shot kills, clean head shots etc) so serious hunters don't fire until they're sure of the target.

The occasional random bogans who DO do stuff like that are at more risk from the serious sportspeople, than you would be.


Its the bogan shooters I'm worried about.

Ive done a fair bit of shooting in my younger days, and its all fine outback on private farms where you know there are no people just wandering around,  but in more built up areas like Wattagans near sydney which is a big 4wd'ing and camping site, it can only end in tears.  Some very good hunters may follow your 'cred' ethic, but even then its easy to be focussed on your target that you forget what is behind it, or what a ricochet off a rock might hit.

Guns, forest and people just dont mix, IMO.



Well they did mix, successfully for many decades, with very little problem, so why they wouldn't now, I don't understand.
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Reply #147 - Mar 23rd, 2013 at 4:41pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
We did a thorough risk assessment before setting up camp and decided that it was the most comfortable looking spot.


You keep sleeping in ditches then.

Grin Grin



It wasn't a ditch. It was about 30m wide.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:42pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 1:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:49am:
Well given that there aren't all that many areas that allow hunting it shouldn't be hard to work out..

Here's a list of places in NSW
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/portal.asp?p=WhereCanIHunt

But really, almost all serious hunters won't shot near camping areas, and regardless of what the Wilderness Society says, they don't wander around, blasting away at shadows,and noises...Ammo is way too expensive, for a start and in Australia hunter 'cred' is built on accuracy (one shot kills, clean head shots etc) so serious hunters don't fire until they're sure of the target.

The occasional random bogans who DO do stuff like that are at more risk from the serious sportspeople, than you would be.


Its the bogan shooters I'm worried about.

Ive done a fair bit of shooting in my younger days, and its all fine outback on private farms where you know there are no people just wandering around,  but in more built up areas like Wattagans near sydney which is a big 4wd'ing and camping site, it can only end in tears.  Some very good hunters may follow your 'cred' ethic, but even then its easy to be focussed on your target that you forget what is behind it, or what a ricochet off a rock might hit.

Guns, forest and people just dont mix, IMO.



Well they did mix, successfully for many decades, with very little problem, so why they wouldn't now, I don't understand.


Perhaps he meant Gunns and forests don't mix.
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Re: NSW coalition, Batemans and Port Stephens
Reply #148 - Apr 21st, 2013 at 5:18pm
 
Don't see a problem with it. Been shooting for over 40 years and never shot anyone yet.

Once qualified as a range officer and can hit 3 out of 5 stubby caps laid on their side on the 90m rail.

Usual alarmist bullshite.

What about insisting that hikers wear high visibility clothing, just like our road-workers? After all, they're the worried ones.
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