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Re: 33 Percent Said They Planned To Vote - GREEN.
Reply #15 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:50pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:11pm:
Sorry, Verge, but this article is more about mischief making than it is about facts...

For starters, did you note that the single biggest ticket item (at over 50% of the headline $20 Billion) is buried down in the article...

Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 6:59pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 6:13pm:
Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
Are these the same people who have $20billion of uncosted promises with no idea on where the money is coming from?


LOL...that would be the Libs - and the figure is closer to $12billion...



Thats not what I read today.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/greens-told-to-cough-up-costings/story-e6frf7kx-1225948859612

VICTORIAN taxpayers would pay more than more than $20 billion in the next four years to cover the true cost of policies presented by the Victorian Greens, it has been revealed.
The Greens have made pre-election pledges on everything from poker machine cuts to "death taxes" and the re-introduction of tram conductors in the lead-up to the November 27 state poll, but have failed to say how much their promises will cost or how they will be paid for.

A Department of Treasury and Finance analysis offers an insight into how hard the public purse and State Budget will be hit if only 15 of the party's major policies were introduced.

The figure does not factor in any of the Greens' more contentious policies, such as building 15 new tram lines and nine route extensions, introducing heroin injecting rooms, free statewide dental care, closing coal-fired power stations and forcing every Victorian home to have a water-saving shower head.

But Upper House Greens member Greg Barber said it was "not their (the Treasury department's) job to do an analysis", especially since the Government was in caretaker mode.

"I'll be seeking a meeting with Treasury," he said.

The estimated costs of major Greens' policies for the next four years, prepared before the State Government entered caretaker mode, show:

ABOLISHING TAFE fees would cost more than $392.5 million;

A HOMES policy aimed at giving one million Victorian houses a "Green makeover" could cost as much $2.57 million;

A PLAN to cut poker machine numbers to 10,000 would cost $2.5 billion - not including the fee of buying pokies back from licensed venues;

BOOSTING child protection services would cost $200 million;

THE cost of axing school fees is estimated at $400 million;

RE-INTRODUCING conductors to Melbourne's tram fleet would cost about $295 million;

STAFFING all train stations would add about $104 million to the Budget; and,

ADDITIONAL concessions to international and post-graduate students would add costs of $140 million.

In past elections, the Greens have presented policies without having to properly account for costings.

But with the chance of a hung Parliament, a possible power-sharing deal between a major and minor party and the possibility of six Greens MPs being elected to the lower house for the first time, the cost of their policies has never been more important.

Treasurer John Lenders said it was time the Greens put their money where their mouths were.

"We call on the Greens to submit their policies for costing by the independent Victorian Treasury," he said.

"At the moment they are hiding the true cost of their election promises just like Tony Abbott did."

Other Greens policy estimates include up to $2.5 billion for new rail links to Melbourne Airport, Doncaster and Rowville, $11.6 billion to build 29,000 social housing units, $400 million for sub-acute medical services over four years and $111 million to upgrade library funding.

They also want to spend an estimated $600 million over four years on early intervention mental health programs, an estimated $400 million on primary care incentives and an extra $400 million on emergency department treatment.

The costing revelations threaten to overshadow the Greens' state election launch by federal leader Bob Brown in Melbourne this afternoon.

Mr Lenders said the Greens should also provide more detail on plans to "plunder the savings of deceased Victorians to pay for their pie-in-the-sky election policies" through death taxes.




How are the Greens funding their promises.

I think its a just and fair question.
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Re: 33 Percent Said They Planned To Vote - GREEN.
Reply #16 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:52pm
 

Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:50pm:
How are the Greens funding their promises.

I think its a just and fair question.


I wholeheartedly agree but the funding estimates need to be based upon their actual promises - and not on the basis of misrepresented ones...

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Reply #17 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:00pm
 

Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:50pm:
How are the Greens funding their promises.

I think its a just and fair question.


I wholeheartedly agree but the funding estimates need to be based upon their actual promises - and not on the basis of misrepresented ones...

Hint: did you happen to notice this important bit buried in the middle of the article you quoted...

Quote:
Treasurer John Lenders said it was time the Greens put their money where their mouths were.

"We call on the Greens to submit their policies for costing by the independent Victorian Treasury," he said.


!?

Clearly, the 'independent Victorian Treasury' has not costed the actual policies...contrary to the opening premises of the article ...

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VICTORIAN taxpayers would pay more than more than $20 billion in the next four years to cover the true cost of policies presented by the Victorian Greens, it has been revealed.

The Greens have made pre-election pledges on everything from poker machine cuts to "death taxes" and the re-introduction of tram conductors in the lead-up to the November 27 state poll, but have failed to say how much their promises will cost or how they will be paid for.

A Department of Treasury and Finance analysis offers an insight into how hard the public purse and State Budget will be hit if only 15 of the party's major policies were introduced.

The figure does not factor in any of the Greens' more contentious policies, such as building 15 new tram lines and nine route extensions, introducing heroin injecting rooms, free statewide dental care, closing coal-fired power stations and forcing every Victorian home to have a water-saving shower head.


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Reply #18 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:03pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:00pm:
Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 7:50pm:
How are the Greens funding their promises.

I think its a just and fair question.


I wholeheartedly agree but the funding estimates need to be based upon their actual promises - and not on the basis of misrepresented ones...

Hint: did you happen to notice this important bit buried in the middle of the article you quoted...

Quote:
Treasurer John Lenders said it was time the Greens put their money where their mouths were.

"We call on the Greens to submit their policies for costing by the independent Victorian Treasury," he said.


!?

Clearly, the 'independent Victorian Treasury' has not costed the actual policies...contrary to the opening premises of the article ...

Quote:
VICTORIAN taxpayers would pay more than more than $20 billion in the next four years to cover the true cost of policies presented by the Victorian Greens, it has been revealed.

The Greens have made pre-election pledges on everything from poker machine cuts to "death taxes" and the re-introduction of tram conductors in the lead-up to the November 27 state poll, but have failed to say how much their promises will cost or how they will be paid for.

A Department of Treasury and Finance analysis offers an insight into how hard the public purse and State Budget will be hit if only 15 of the party's major policies were introduced.

The figure does not factor in any of the Greens' more contentious policies, such as building 15 new tram lines and nine route extensions, introducing heroin injecting rooms, free statewide dental care, closing coal-fired power stations and forcing every Victorian home to have a water-saving shower head.



Did you stop to think that they have got the Treasury to run estimates based on the promises they have made.

If the Greens want to be a power player, lets see them be accountable for their promises.
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Re: 33 Percent Said They Planned To Vote - GREEN.
Reply #19 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:26pm
 

Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:03pm:
Did you stop to think that they have got the Treasury to run estimates based on the promises they have made.

If the Greens want to be a power player, lets see them be accountable for their promises.


Err...actually I did - hence my comments that Treasury has run estimates based on false representations of the single biggest ticket item...

The estimation on the cost of the social housing proposal is based on building all 29,000 units - when the official Greens policy doesn't include the word "build" at all...

Moreover, Treasury has already costed social housing alternative policies for the incumbent Labs - which included a mix of measures...

Most notably, Vic Treasury has purportedly estimated the cost of building each unit at around twice the cost of a similar policy in 2007-08...

If construction costs really doubled in just 3 years, then why haven't welfare payments been indexed accordingly!?

Do you not see something fishy in the agenda behind the article!?
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Reply #20 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:31pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:26pm:
Verge wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 8:03pm:
Did you stop to think that they have got the Treasury to run estimates based on the promises they have made.

If the Greens want to be a power player, lets see them be accountable for their promises.


Err...actually I did - hence my comments that Treasury has run estimates based on false representations of the single biggest ticket item...

The estimation on the cost of the social housing proposal is based on building all 29,000 units - when the official Greens policy doesn't include the word "build" at all...

Moreover, Treasury has already costed social housing alternative policies for the incumbent Labs - which included a mix of measures...

Most notably, Vic Treasury has purportedly estimated the cost of building each unit at around twice the cost of a similar policy in 2007-08...

If construction costs really doubled in just 3 years, then why haven't welfare payments been indexed accordingly!?

Do you not see something fishy in the agenda behind the article!?


If you dont want anything fishy to speak of, submit your costings and tell the people how you are going to fund them.

You, and many other ALP and Greens supporters, most notably Woody, ridiculed the Federal Coalition for this very thing, only difference is at least the Coalition had a taxation policy.

The Greens have not made a single comment on how their policies will be funded, how much they will cost or how long to implement them.

They can no longer afford the luxury of being the noisy thorn in the side they once were, they must make themselves accountable to the people.
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