freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Ha! Coming from someone who won't tell us what he believes...but hides behind a bunch of sock puppets.

Islam is the truth. It is monotheism sent by God Almighty, the perfect religion.

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:


In Islam people are considered innocent until proven guilty. There is no collective punishment in Islam.

Collective punishment is something used by Israeli Jews against Palestinians.

The presumption of innocence is something denied to thousands of prisoners in Israeli and US prisons like Gunatanamo. Maybe it is a Biblical thing to assume uilty until proven innocent.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 11:08am:



Which do you think is the more important part of the sentence Freeliar; "mob-murder" or "molesting"?

They are both serious, but I am sure even you can work which is the more serious of the two.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 11:19am:



Enough of the tribe were involved to consider it a violation of a treaty.

Consider this, does the every soldier of the North Korea army need to attack South Korea before we consider it a violation of the treaties/armistice arangements? If only half of North Korea's army attacked the South, would the South need to continue holding the ceasefire?


As I have said earlier the tribe's right to exist as a state within a state was revoked upon the violation of the treaty. Jews were still permitted to remain in Madina on an individual basis.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 11:40am:



Again you try to deceive and twist things Freeliar.

Why do you say "murder of a South Korean person in North Korea"?  That is deliberately deceptive.


It was not a simple murder, but a killing that involved a large number of warriors from a Jewish tribe.

A more correct analogy would be if half of North Korea's army killed people in South Korea.

A large number of Jews from the Qunayqa tribe killed a Muslim in Muslim territory.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:


There was a place in the Islamic city of Madina where Jews came to sell their wares.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:


The murder of one person can violate the terms of a treaty.





freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:


The Jewish state/tribe violated the treaty. Individual Jews could stay, but their right to live as a state within a state was revoked.

It is not punishment, but a revocation of a treaty.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:


The tribe was expelled, individual Jews were able to apply for permission to stay. Of course those known to be involved in the murder would not be given permission to stay.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:



Do you you know what tribalism is like. In the tribalism prevalent in the times, people did not give up those from their own easily. Even today we see that France and Russia do not extradite their own citizens. The Jews weren't going to have dozens of their warriors executed. Expelling the tribe averted a war. Many lives were saved.

The Qaynuqa tribe were basically gypsies anyhow and owned no land. So they were better off to be expelled than lose many of their men.

Anyway, it is not collective punishment, because those who were not antagonistic towards Muslims and wished to stay were allowed to stay.