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Reply #60 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:48am
 
So here is some politics


PETER COSTELLO has painted John Howard as a disingenuous, dishonest and selfish man who put himself before the nation and was now blaming everyone for his failures.

In a stinging reply to Mr Howard's autobiography, entitled Lazarus Rising, Mr Costello writes that Mr Howard wanted to claim all the achievements of the Coalition government ''and does not intend to share the glory''.

''He will not take responsibility for the defeat of the government in November 2007 or losing the seat of Bennelong,'' he writes in today's Herald. ''He will not take responsibility for what the whole of Australia knows. That he stayed too long.''



Mr Howard, who launched his book in Sydney yesterday, contends he intended to retire in mid-2006 but changed his mind after revelations of a so-called deal to hand over to Mr Costello after two terms.

Mr Costello rubbishes the claim, saying ''there is not a skerrick of objective evidence to support his supposed retirement plan''. He ridicules Mr Howard for claiming he stayed on because he did not want to be seen to be pushed by his treasurer, or to be running from Kevin Rudd who took the Labor leadership in December 2007.

''George Bush described him as a man of steel. He sent troops into combat,'' Mr Costello says. ''But he couldn't carry out his planned retirement because he might have a received a few taunts from his enemies?''

Mr Howard was never going to step aside because he loved the job and had little prospect of another career.

His lack of generosity of spirit was shown by his decision not to join the reconciliation walk across the Harbour Bridge in 2000.

'Perhaps he never did intend to stand down."

Thanks for confirming what we all knew Peter.
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Reply #61 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:49am
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 9:15am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 8:47am:
My point was that intelligent political threads have been moved, and the moderator seems fit to let this stay in the political thread. Why so freediver?

chat or general?


Perhaps because the message behind the history of this was very political. They celibrate the failure to assasinate King James the I.



Thats what people overlook.
The US have a memeorial for a successful political assault (9/11), guess some would have preferred the success og Fawkes then. But no it was a failed plot and that is the celebration!
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mmmm great post Imp.


THE coalition has been accused of photographing renegade National Tony Crook voting in the parliament with the government in an attempt to bully the Western Australian MP.

Mr Crook, who has chosen to sit on the crossbenches rather than with the coalition, today sided with the government in a division on legislation aimed at reforming the health system.

He also sided with the government to defeat a move by the coalition to have the parliament urgently debate the establishment of an immigration detention centre in the Adelaide Hills.

Labor MPs claim that as he sat alongside Transport Minister Anthony Albanese during the division vote, Liberal MP Sophie Mirabella could be seen using a mobile phone to photograph Mr Crook.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon later accused the coalition of mounting a campaign against Mr Crook, who defeated veteran Liberal MP Wilson Tuckey at the last election.

Ms Mirabella denies taking a photograph, saying it would have been impossible from where she was sitting in the House of Representatives chamber.

"It's impossible to take photos from that distance," she said.

"Anything that happens in the chamber is on the public record. Why would anyone need to do that?

"Anyone trying to take a photo of Albanese I'm sure would have their camera break,'' Ms Mirabella added.

The opposition innovation spokeswoman in turn accused the government of a beat-up in an effort to win Mr Crook's support.

"It's just a false way for them to try and get Tony Crook to side with them.

"That's real bullying. For them to try and turn around and say somehow a public event that's open to the world on the web, where there's a record of it, somehow we were trying to use that in some way, is quite bizarre.

"If anyone wanted to take lessons in professional bullying and thuggery, you just ask business out there how the Labor Party treats them," she said.

But, Ms Roxon said, it was clear the coalition was trying to bully Mr Crook.

"Seeing the Liberals and Nationals trying to bully people doesn't, I wouldn't have thought, further their cause ... yelling out and taking photographs of Tony Crook sitting with us while he's voting."

Ms Roxon said the decision of Mr Crook and the five other crossbench MPs to support the government's legislation showed they were prepared to consider legislation on its merits.

The bill would give permanent status to a commission working to improve health services and reduce healthcare costs.

"These are pretty important issues for their electorates. So I hope it shows that they're prepared to judge it on its merits, something the Liberal Party has not been doing," Ms Roxon said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/coalition-accused-of-bullying-by-camera/story-e6frfku0-1225944387840#ixzz13YXve7q1
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Reply #63 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:52am
 
Great POLITICAL post Greens win



Howard unleashes: elitist Costello blew his chance at power

JOHN HOWARD has made his first public criticism of his longtime former deputy, Peter Costello, opening a war that threatens to damage the legacy of the Howard government.

With the former prime minister's memoir going on sale next week, Mr Howard has said Mr Costello is an elitist who lacked the ability to connect with ordinary Australians.

Mr Howard also blamed Australia's longest-serving treasurer for mishandling a planned leadership transition. According to Mr Howard, he was planning to hand the leadership to his deputy with the intention of prolonging Coalition rule.

But he abandoned this plan, he said, because Mr Costello overplayed the revelation in 2006 that they had a longstanding handover agreement.

Under public pressure from Mr Costello, Mr Howard decided to dig in and remained leader until he lost government, and his seat of Bennelong, in 2007.

The secret 1994 agreement for Mr Howard to hand over to Mr Costello after 1½ terms was recorded by the only witness, the former Howard defence minister Ian McLachlan, on a note that he carried in his wallet for 12 years.

While the tension between the two men at the top of the Coalition government was long-running and well known, the hostilities were always contained.

In spite of their rivalry, the pair managed to work closely and effectively for 11 years in power.

When Mr Costello wrote his 2008 memoir, he refrained from personal criticism of Mr Howard.

He did, however, hold him responsible for losing in 2007: "Leadership is not only about winning: It is also about departing. Unlike Menzies, Howard never managed a transition."

And Mr Howard has been grudging in his assessments of Mr Costello. When Mr Costello retired from Parliament last year and a television reporter approached Mr Howard for a comment, the former PM said: "I wish Peter well, but I have no further statement."

But now that Mr Howard has revived their rivalry and escalated it to personal and political criticism, he has created an opening for Mr Costello to respond.

The Coalition leader, Tony Abbott, is trying to accomplish an unprecedented feat for a Liberal opposition leader - lose an election yet hold on to the leadership.

The Howard criticism, by escalating an old contest, will turn attention to internal party bickering, doing Mr Abbott no favours.

The book is titled Lazarus Rising, an echo of Mr Howard's famous 1989 rejoinder when the dumped Liberal leader said that for him to make a leadership comeback would be "Lazarus with a triple bypass''.

He won the 1996 election and went on to become Australia's second longest-serving prime minister.

Mr Howard's criticisms of Mr Costello seem designed to exonerate himself.

By portraying his former deputy as being unable to connect with ordinary Australians, he seems to suggest that Mr Costello would have been a poor prime minister, and unable to win an election.

And by blaming Mr Costello for bungling the leadership handover, Mr Howard appears to be excusing himself from the charge that he had failed to manage the transition.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/howard-unleashes-elitist-costello-blew-his-chance-at-power-20101021-16w4p.html


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Reply #64 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:54am
 
I dont think that anyone can see the relevance of your posts to the title there dippy.


But you do do a perfect illustration of how you like to attack, disrupt, flame, abuse anyone else who disagrees with you.


I just bet you are stomping your feet and holding your breath!!!






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Reply #65 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:57am
 
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Reply #66 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 10:25am
 
tickfen wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:46am:
This is a political thread and this is the political section dearie


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yes you could say that, but thats now in the begining it was all about fireworks..hardly political.. well in this sense anyway..dare I suggest FD missed it??..
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Reply #67 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 10:29am
 
codswal wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 10:25am:
tickfen wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:46am:
This is a political thread and this is the political section dearie


bwaaaahaaaaa



yes you could say that, but thats now in the begining it was all about fireworks..hardly political.. well in this sense anyway..dare I suggest FD missed it??..



Not true cods...from the beginning it was about Fawkes and fireworks.

And eventually others contributed towards the history which was what was the objective all along as suggested in the title itself.

However the disrupting flamers stomped their feet and held their breath like little children do so that theyd get there way.
Otherwise theyd wet the floor I guess.


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Reply #68 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 12:18pm
 

On the subject of Guy Fawkes, I received an email containing an extract from this bizarre article: -

http://www.cis.org.au/publications/ideasthecentre/article/2244-wheres-the-firewo...

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Where’s the Fire(works)? – Part Two
Meegan Cornforth | 05 November 2010

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason
That gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

Today is the anniversary of the infamous 1605 plot to blow up the British Houses of Parliament and, with them, King James I of England. Although the assassination attempt was thwarted, it remains one of history’s most commemorated events.

Throughout Britain, and in parts of the Commonwealth, the foiling of the plot is celebrated each year on Guy Fawkes Night with effigies of the head conspirator burned on festive bonfires. An attempt to rectify decades of religious state intolerance towards Catholics, the plot was unquestionably an act of terrorism – prompted by unendurable government interference in the private lives of its citizens.

Last week in Ideas@theCentre, in a milder and less explosive form of protest against government control, we asked for reader suggestions regarding illiberal and intrusive laws in Australia that need amending. Among the complaints were:

    * Obligatory bike helmets (the most common comment).

    * Council permission (naturally with an with attendant application fee) for tree removal or pruning on private property.

    * Restrictions on day care providers – where previously 'a woman up the street looked after our kids,' all childcare providers must now be qualified and expensive professionals.

    * Child car seat legislation. Given that the majority of parents 'care about the safety of our children, why is it that governments think it necessary to pass laws that force parents to buy expensive seats and limit the options they have for accommodating children in vehicles?' And what happens when a situation arises where there is the need to transport an additional child? Without having access to an extra government-approved seat, 'do we leave the (other) family in the lurch or do we break the law?'

    * Restrictions on home handyman jobs such as basic plumbing, roofing and electrical work.

    * Restrictions on property owners personally handling eviction and debt collection matters.

    * 'Draconian land tax on aggregate value' that impedes property owners and investors.

    * Privacy laws that restrict family members from assisting each other with phone or electricity accounts, small-dollar-amount credit card queries, etc.

    * The addition of fluoride into public water supplies

    * And, perhaps the most interesting regulation, the Victorian Council of Whitehorse’s recent cat curfew requiring all domestic cats to be locked indoors between 8pm and 6am every day. According to an article in local paper, the Whitehorse Leader, ‘Whitehorse will employ a new, full-time staff member to administer the program and spend $9,000 on 30 cat traps.’ In addition, non-compliance will result in a $119 fine, so residents had best make sure they adhere to a curfew themselves and are home each night in good time to put kitty to bed.

Given that pyrotechnic displays are synonymous with Guy Fawkes Night, the ban on the sale of fireworks should also be mentioned. Children and teenagers might not be mature enough to handle fireworks responsibly, but should this warrant the prohibition of cracker and Catherine wheel sales to adults? Unsurprisingly, the total ban has now resulted in a thriving and potentially dangerous black market.

Perhaps tonight we should reconsider what we need to toss into the bonfire: a Guy Fawkes effigy or all the petty, controlling and counterproductive government regulations that intrude into our private lives.

Meegan Cornforth is Events Manager at The Centre for Independent Studies.

Click here to read Where’s the Fire? – Part One http://www.cis.org.au/publications/ideasthecentre/article/2236-wheres-the-fire


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Reply #69 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
skippy. wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:57am:
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I dont think that anyone can see the relevance of your posts to the title there dippy.




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dippy, you must have handed in some awesome assignments during your majority in silliness.
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Reply #70 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 1:04pm:
skippy. wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:57am:
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I dont think that anyone can see the relevance of your posts to the title there dippy.




TUFF S HIT, welcome to the rest of the forum members world.



dippy, you must have handed in some awesome assignments during your majority in silliness.

Thanks for the troll. Grin Silly old bugger.
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Reply #71 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 4:55pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:44am:
codswal wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 9:16am:
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 6th, 2010 at 8:46am:
codswal wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 8:52am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 8:47am:
My point was that intelligent political threads have been moved, and the moderator seems fit to let this stay in the political thread. Why so freediver?

chat or general?


but thats the point pansi this will only be here for a few minutes..its not the end of the world..I dont go into any of the other threads.. not sure why..so its just a bit of fun from the norm of bashing each other about ids and crap like that


You assumed that this thread would be moved Cods, clearly thats not happened.

I can see several other categories, where this thread would more properly redise!

That said, I don't necessarily believe that moving threads is warranted, but if that is what the owner of the site (FD) wants, then that's also fine.

So long as he is consistent, which he is not! FD moved somethings out of his pet area (Politics Suck), which are certainly related to Politics, then leaves other threads, such as this one, which have a tenuous link, at best.




just had the very same thought pc..I am shocked its still here otherwise I wouldnt have said what I said.. maybe someone has to elert FD..who knows.maybe in a good free thinking mood!!! maybe its his day off.anyway I dont expect it to last much longer


In fact FD has been here & moved a few things around, about 6pm yesterday, but left this here!


why move hings around at all? most threads are pretty close to being in the right local and the idea of free speech is that it is not always easy or clean and is often messy. LEAVE IT ALONE!
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Reply #72 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 5:03pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 7th, 2010 at 12:18pm:
On the subject of Guy Fawkes, I received an email containing an extract from this bizarre article: -

http://www.cis.org.au/publications/ideasthecentre/article/2244-wheres-the-firewo...

Quote:
Where’s the Fire(works)? – Part Two
Meegan Cornforth | 05 November 2010

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason
That gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

Today is the anniversary of the infamous 1605 plot to blow up the British Houses of Parliament and, with them, King James I of England. Although the assassination attempt was thwarted, it remains one of history’s most commemorated events.

Throughout Britain, and in parts of the Commonwealth, the foiling of the plot is celebrated each year on Guy Fawkes Night with effigies of the head conspirator burned on festive bonfires. An attempt to rectify decades of religious state intolerance towards Catholics, the plot was unquestionably an act of terrorism – prompted by unendurable government interference in the private lives of its citizens.

Last week in Ideas@theCentre, in a milder and less explosive form of protest against government control, we asked for reader suggestions regarding illiberal and intrusive laws in Australia that need amending. Among the complaints were:

   * Obligatory bike helmets (the most common comment).

   * Council permission (naturally with an with attendant application fee) for tree removal or pruning on private property.

   * Restrictions on day care providers – where previously 'a woman up the street looked after our kids,' all childcare providers must now be qualified and expensive professionals.

   * Child car seat legislation. Given that the majority of parents 'care about the safety of our children, why is it that governments think it necessary to pass laws that force parents to buy expensive seats and limit the options they have for accommodating children in vehicles?' And what happens when a situation arises where there is the need to transport an additional child? Without having access to an extra government-approved seat, 'do we leave the (other) family in the lurch or do we break the law?'

   * Restrictions on home handyman jobs such as basic plumbing, roofing and electrical work.

   * Restrictions on property owners personally handling eviction and debt collection matters.

   * 'Draconian land tax on aggregate value' that impedes property owners and investors.

   * Privacy laws that restrict family members from assisting each other with phone or electricity accounts, small-dollar-amount credit card queries, etc.

   * The addition of fluoride into public water supplies

   * And, perhaps the most interesting regulation, the Victorian Council of Whitehorse’s recent cat curfew requiring all domestic cats to be locked indoors between 8pm and 6am every day. According to an article in local paper, the Whitehorse Leader, ‘Whitehorse will employ a new, full-time staff member to administer the program and spend $9,000 on 30 cat traps.’ In addition, non-compliance will result in a $119 fine, so residents had best make sure they adhere to a curfew themselves and are home each night in good time to put kitty to bed.

Given that pyrotechnic displays are synonymous with Guy Fawkes Night, the ban on the sale of fireworks should also be mentioned. Children and teenagers might not be mature enough to handle fireworks responsibly, but should this warrant the prohibition of cracker and Catherine wheel sales to adults? Unsurprisingly, the total ban has now resulted in a thriving and potentially dangerous black market.

Perhaps tonight we should reconsider what we need to toss into the bonfire: a Guy Fawkes effigy or all the petty, controlling and counterproductive government regulations that intrude into our private lives.

Meegan Cornforth is Events Manager at The Centre for Independent Studies.

Click here to read Where’s the Fire? – Part One http://www.cis.org.au/publications/ideasthecentre/article/2236-wheres-the-fire




most of those complaints are either trivial or stupid. hardly the stuff of major complaint!
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why move hings around at all? most threads are pretty close to being in the right local and the idea of free speech is that it is not always easy or clean and is often messy. LEAVE IT ALONE! 
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hey longy fancy being freedriver!!!!!!!!!!!! reading all these would send you barmy..especially the unintelligent ones of which we have plenty..

yes if it was me I would wait for someone to complain then do something about it.. we have more than a share of whingers so I am sure they would be happy to send in a report..
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Reply #74 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 6:17pm
 
Crikey..this thread has gone well off track..what happened to the left wing, reds under the beds, nazi sympathising, small L liberal, Obama loving, refugee smuggling, do gooders getting rid of cracker night?
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