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How much was your 'Winter' quarterly energy bill?
Oct 28th, 2010 at 10:32am
 

There has been a lot of media coverage in relation to the dramatic increases in electricity prices - and I am therefore wondering how much ordinary people are forking out for energy in their homes...

I have chosen the 'Winter' bill because that period is typically affected by heating costs and therefore that bill is likely to be the largest for most of us (as not everybody uses aircon over the Summer)...

I am about to add a poll...

BTW, I have chosen 'energy' bills because some people have gas appliances - so please indicate whether or not you pay for energy other than electricity (click on this if you have Solar too)...

I shall also include a response for people to indicate whether their household consumed above the 'typical' consumption of 7,000kWh pa (per NSW's IPART)...

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Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 10:43am
 

Obviously, these questions relate to your household - please feel free to elaborate upon your responses...
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Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:04am
 
My electricity will be read in early November. Last year that quarter was $224.85. It will be interesting to see how much higher it is. I don't use any heating. My summer bills are much higher because I use the a/c when I am just about to expire from extreme heat lol.



I stopped using as much electricity when they put the price up. I bet they're glad not everyone is like me.

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Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:23am
 

FYI, according to the IPART NSW Fact Sheet, following are the annual 2009/10 electricity costs of a 'typical' NSW household (excluding GST and based on 7,000 kWh consumption): -

Energy Australia - $1,257 

Integral Energy - $1,258

Country Energy - $1,446 

So, including GST and rounded up, the 'typical' annual amount actually forked out for last financial year would be: -

Energy Australia - $1,383

Integral Energy - $1,384

Country Energy - $1,591

www.ipart.nsw.gov.au


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Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:28am
 

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:04am:
My electricity will be read in early November. Last year that quarter was $224.85. It will be interesting to see how much higher it is. I don't use any heating. My summer bills are much higher because I use the a/c when I am just about to expire from extreme heat lol.



I stopped using as much electricity when they put the price up. I bet they're glad not everyone is like me.

Interesting poll thy.equitist


I'm impressed, Pansi - from memory, it's been at least a couple of years since our household bills were in that vicinity...

Ironically, we don't use aircon (just fans) but we do use some heating in winter...

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Reply #5 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:31am
 
Interestly listening to calls made  To the ABC Radio this morning on the price rises of electricty , referring to NSW  electricity prices rising  could be due to the solar power feed in rate rebate scheme . And that has pushed UP the price of power.

This same scheme has just also been downsized.

'NSW's generous solar power rebate scheme has been downsized as power companies announced they would have to pass the cost of the feed-in tariff for solar panels on to consumers.'
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Reply #6 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:33am
 
The bills in WA are bimonthly, rather than quarterly, so it's a bit skewed.  Our winter bill was about $350 I think.
On the bill they have a graph comparing your current usage, the usage from the previous bill, and the usage from the same period last year.   My usage was down on the previous year, but still cost about $80 more.
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Reply #7 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:39am
 

Now for something really scary: in FY10 our total annual household telecommunications bills exceeded our annual electricity bills by close to 50%!

Oh, and we don't have pay TV - and have no intentions of taking it up...
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Reply #8 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:42am
 

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Interestly listening to calls made  To the ABC Radio this morning on the price rises of electricty , referring to NSW  electricity prices rising  could be due to the solar power feed in rate rebate scheme . And that has pushed UP the price of power.

This same scheme has just also been downsized.

'NSW's generous solar power rebate scheme has been downsized as power companies announced they would have to pass the cost of the feed-in tariff for solar panels on to consumers.'
~ABC online news


The official reasons are contained in this report/fact sheet, which also does CPRS comparisions: -

http://www.ipart.nsw.gov.au/files/Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Regulated%20electricity%20r...
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Reply #11 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 9:05am
 
Equitist wrote on Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:39am:
Now for something really scary: in FY10 our total annual household telecommunications bills exceeded our annual electricity bills by close to 50%!

Oh, and we don't have pay TV - and have no intentions of taking it up...



I had to do the sums after I read that.

My total electricity for 2009 was $930 and total telecommunications bill was $1200, that's for a landline, broadband and one mobile phone that doesn't get used much ( I let people ring me lol) no discounts, subsidies or rebates. It will be interesting to compare this years bills.

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Reply #12 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 11:10am
 
Don't use a dishwasher,
turn powerpoints off.
Sell Fishtank.
Don't watch too much TV and don't pay for PayTV.

Managed to keep our electricity bill way low - under $100.

Then we moved in with the In-Laws (save from Rent and help pay their HomeLoan) ...and the Electrical output is so wasteful.
But what can I do...in-laws remember. Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:41pm
 
I live in America and my electric bill is monthly.  I pay about $400 a month.
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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:48am
 
Coral Sea wrote on Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:41pm:
I live in America and my electric bill is monthly.  I pay about $400 a month.



Wow! coral sea, that's stiff. It also depends on the size of the family and the property though. I know people who used to run the pool filter for eight hours a day are cutting down to 3 or 4 hours. There's only so far you can cut back before life gets awkward. Maybe we need awkward and misery to learn the lesson about waste and sustainability??????
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Reply #15 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 5:53am
 
We actually do a fair amount conserve (because we want to save money), but as you hinted at its about household size (family) and property size.  I rent a very large and very old (by American standards, it was built in 1920) home with three other men.  The house is 4,230 square feet on two acres.

My electricity usage is also much more significant than it sounds, because electricity prices in America are two times lower on average than in Australia.
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Reply #16 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:10am
 
<<electricity prices in America are two times lower on average than in Australia. >>
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That's good. So, in comparison to electricity, how does your telecommunications costs rate? It seems we are paying more to communicate than we are to power our homes.
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:10am:
<<electricity prices in America are two times lower on average than in Australia. >>
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That's good. So, in comparison to electricity, how does your telecommunications costs rate? It seems we are paying more to communicate than we are to power our homes.

I am unfamiliar with telecom in Australia beyond very basic information (Telstra dominant provider, broadband penetration is poor), but I can give you my direct costs if that helps.  If you have a rundown of your costs that might be interesting.

For my home, I have a so-called "triple play" (television, internet service, and telephone service) through the cable company, Comcast.  Comcast is the largest cable company in the United States.

My television service includes three cable boxes, all of which support HDTV (costs extra with most cable providers here) and one which is a DVR box.  I have every channel you can get except the Playboy channel (costs $20/month by itself).

For telephone service I have two phone lines with caller ID and call waiting.  Calls anywhere within the USA and Canada are included in the plan and do not incur per minute charges.  International rates vary but are typically around eight cents per minute to other highly industrialized countries.

My internet service is 25mbps downstream and 5mbps upstream.

As for cellphone service, I use AT&T which is our Telstra (but has a more complicated corporate history).  I pay $100 a month for unlimited voice and data (I own a smartphone).
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Reply #18 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:55am
 
Actually you guys would have felt the pinch with rising fuel prices due to the falling $US.

It's a good idea to compare prices like this. On another forum, I started a thread comparing energy prices. I converted them all into a common unit like kWhr (I think you might use BTu) and compared the prices for petrol, diesel, electricity and natural gas.

Of course I found out that Octane ratings are totally different in the States. It would be a good idea to repeat it maybe on the Environment forum. I can do the conversions and put in table form.

You'll find a lot of variation in Electricity bills depending on whether you're dealing with a family living in a 4br home or a single person living in a flat.

For telephone service I use GoTalk on VOIP and fixed phone lines. It costs around $50 per month including unmetered Australian calls. Overseas calls typically cost about 1-2 cents per minute.  For most friends overseas we tend to use Skype these days, which costs nothing. 

My Internet service is 20Mbps. I use Telstra out bush (unfortunately) because they offer the best deal. Otherwise I hate Telstra.  They're not too bad for broadband but like GoTalk, they kept giving me marketing calls - until I threatened to change providers if I got one more marketing call.

For my mobile phone service, I use Optus on a $49 monthly plan. I get 1Gb of data and heaps of calls (I only use about 15% of the allocation), but I hardly use it for data except for emails and checking the weather radar occasionally. I also get unlimited free calls to my wife's mobile which is on the same invoice. I use a Nokia E72, and I occasionally use the WiFi on that either at home or at coffee shops.
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Reply #19 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:21am
 
I live in Illinois, which leads the United States in nuclear power.  We have ten operating nuclear power plants which supply 49% of our electricity, more than double the national average.  Nearly all our remaining power comes from coal, which appreciate much less in price in the past decade than oil and gas.  As such, electric prices here haven't been much affected by the bull market in commodities.

Some parts of the country are heavily dependent on natural gas for electric power, and in these parts of the country electricity prices have gone up significantly.  Natural gas plants have been popular among utilities because it is possible to build small, efficient units and they produce relatively little pollution compared to coal.  With the new high prices of gas however, coal is king again for new electric power plants. 

Most Americans get their central heating from natural gas however, and heating costs have risen accordingly.  My heating bill in the winter (very cold here compared to Australia) is absolutely atrocious.

I would prefer for BTU to be used as I hate the metric system, but our electricity is priced in kilowatt hours as well.  Some official government data still report in BTUs, however.

My cost per kilowatt hour is about 11 cents.  If you ignore the taxes applied the cost is 8.3 cents.  There are some other costs which are not on a per unit basis.

I typically use about 3600 kilowatt hours.
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Reply #20 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:58am
 
Ours will get cheaper when we allow competition too. The more essential services that we privatise, the more we pay in the end.
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:58am:
Ours will get cheaper when we allow competition too. The more essential services that we privatise, the more we pay in the end.

Your second comment conflicts with your first comment, unless you were referring to negative externalities associated with energy consumption.

I wouldn't be so sure that competition will drive down costs.  Infrastructure is a natural monopoly.  Competition results in wasteful duplication and adds marketing costs.  Electricity costs are very low in America due to regulation.  All states have public service commissions which regulate what price utilities may charge consumers.  In Western Europe they don't have this, and electricity rates there now.
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Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 11:48am
 

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 29th, 2010 at 9:05am:
Equitist wrote on Oct 28th, 2010 at 11:39am:
Now for something really scary: in FY10 our total annual household telecommunications bills exceeded our annual electricity bills by close to 50%!

Oh, and we don't have pay TV - and have no intentions of taking it up...



I had to do the sums after I read that.

My total electricity for 2009 was $930 and total telecommunications bill was $1200, that's for a landline, broadband and one mobile phone that doesn't get used much ( I let people ring me lol) no discounts, subsidies or rebates. It will be interesting to compare this years bills.



Yer, it is a bit of a shock to realise that most household telecommunications bills exceed energy costs - I think many people don't appreciate the relative costs of utilities, because they forget that energy and council bills tend to remain quarterly and telecommunications accounts tend to come monthly these days (often from different providers)...

I was shocked to learn yesterday that my infamously-stingy Mum is forking out $95 a month for pay TV...

Either way, I am taking steps to dispute our last power bill, for the horrendous sum of $810: I think I know what happened to cause such an extraordinary increase in our household usage and costs (problem at utility end) - but to prove it I am waiting for a fully itemised list of the time-of-use billing breakdown over the relevant quarter...

With half-hourly readings, the person I spoke to estimated that the list will be about 50 pages long...
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Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 11:52am
 

Coral Sea wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 8:13am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:58am:
Ours will get cheaper when we allow competition too. The more essential services that we privatise, the more we pay in the end.

Your second comment conflicts with your first comment, unless you were referring to negative externalities associated with energy consumption.

I wouldn't be so sure that competition will drive down costs.  Infrastructure is a natural monopoly. Competition results in wasteful duplication and adds marketing costs.  Electricity costs are very low in America due to regulation.  All states have public service commissions which regulate what price utilities may charge consumers.  


Exactly!

People should not allow themselves to be conned into believing that private enterprise will deliver cheaper essential services and infrastructure - especially since shareholder dividends will more than eclipse any efficiency savings over public bureaucracies...

The corporate profit imperative will always prevail - at any and all costs to ordinary citizens!

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Crikey, that's one at >$1,000 per quarter - which is approaching $100 per week...

I'd be interested to know why the usage is so high...
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<<Your second comment conflicts with your first comment, unless you were referring to negative externalities associated with energy consumption.>>
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I don't think it come out right lol. I was referring to Queensland electricity in particular. The State sold it off to a private company, who now have a monopoly on the entire operation. They are holding the state and the consumers over a barrell. Pay the price, regardless of how exorbitant it is, or they cut supply. Of course there are regulations, but Ergon Energy are saying that all the infrastructure needs to be replaced....believe it or not.

The Qld govt. should have kept this essential service so that affordable power was ensured. On the other hand, now that it is in private hands, other companies should not be blocked from competing.

I would prefer essential services to be run wholly by State or Commonwealth.
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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 9:21am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 9:12am:
I would prefer essential services to be run wholly by State or Commonwealth.



I couldn't agree more. Essential services are ESSENTIAL and shouldn't be left at the whim of the markets.
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Mine was NILCH, I live on solar power, and have done for eight years now.
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Equitist wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 6:56pm:
Crikey, that's one at >$1,000 per quarter - which is approaching $100 per week...

I'd be interested to know why the usage is so high...


I'll bet it's teenage kids. Teenagers and early 20's living with parents tend to be wasteful.
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Reply #29 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 3:04pm
 
Ahhh finally I can answer....just got a bill today.

From the end of July to the end of October....just over $500.00

Electricity and Gas combined...
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Mine was NILCH, I live on solar power, and have done for eight years now.
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What size of a system do you have? (ie Power Rating)
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These figures cover 3 adults.

I'll work backwards from current bill.

11/08/10 to 01/11/10.....82 days.....$350.67
Off Peak.....641 kWh.
Domestic....1274 kWh.

11/05/10 to 11/08/10.....92 days.....$494.36
Off Peak.....804 kWh.
Domestic....1928 kWh.

10/02/10 to 11/05/10......90 days.....$301.21
Off Peak.....604 kWh
Domestic....1019 kWh

04/11/09 to 10/02/10......98 days.....$370.42
Off Peak.....639 kWh
Domestic....1265 kWh

Domestic Daily Ave.
Feb....12.9
May....11.3
Aug....21.0
Nov....15.5

Off Peak Daily Ave.
Feb.....6.5
May.....6.7
Aug.....8.7
Nov.....7.8

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

8174 kWh.....
$1516.66 for past 12 momths.
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Re: How much was your 'Winter' quarterly energy bill?
Reply #32 - Nov 8th, 2010 at 9:11am
 

Energy bills certainly chew up a sizeable portion of the household budget these days - and everything I hear points to much higher prices...

I already envy Skipp and others who have either escaped or loosened the grid leash with Solar...

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