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Oct 21st, 2010 at 12:11pm
 
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Parents who have a history of child abuse should be forced to undergo sterilisation, says a former Victorian ombudsman.

Norman Geschke, who between 1980 and 1994 wrote several reports harsh to child protection services, says the systemic failings of state care in Victoria has forced him to speak out again.

While Victoria's Child Safety Commissioner Bernie Geary has called the concept "inhumane", another child protection agent said stiffer penalties for parents who repeatedly neglect their children must be considered.

Speaking to Melbourne's Herald-Sun newspaper Mr Geschke said that a US model used in the UK where drug addicts are paid to undergo a vasectomy or hysterectomy could be considered.

"My concern is that I think children, when they are born, should expect to get tender loving care," Mr Geschke told the newspaper.

"I just think it's wrong to treat kids badly, that is being done and no-one is really doing anything about it.

"It's (sterilisation) got to be an option that's available somewhere down the track."

Mr Geary said he was appalled that someone of Mr Geschke's background could consider such an option.



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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 12:40pm
 
Hmmmm...nah I can't support it. 

Granted, they need to be punsihed for the cirmes they have committed, and hopefully this will deter them from offending again.

But in effect, they will be punished for crimes that haven't even been committed.  I assume they would have any children taken from their care currently, and I just don't believe the government has any right to force a person to undergo invasive medical procedures EVER.  Our own bodies are the last bastion of freedom, we can't let the guv take that away too.
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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 12:56pm
 
Why not? I'm not big on compulsory eugenics but in the case of extreme deviancy and degeneracy, I move beyond my preferred "voluntary" approach.
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
Well something needs to be done.......

Do we really want to put up with people having children and then not bothering to feed, clean or cloth the children....because it might interfer with the parent's 'social life'????

Does ANY child deserve that??

If a person has a history of neglecting and mis-treating pets....the courts can ban them from owning any more pets...

Is a puppy or kitten more important than a baby??
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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:28pm
 
I like the idea, but a person could turn their life around yet be unable to become a parent again.

I am neither for nor against it. I'd have to hear more before deciding.
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Why not? I'm not big on compulsory eugenics but in the case of extreme deviancy and degeneracy, I move beyond my preferred "voluntary" approach.



Because, I believe false complaints are quite common in family court battles.  How would ya feel having ya crackers cut off becasue your ex made up some bullshit to get custody, or increased child support?
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Vanessa wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:28pm:
I like the idea, but a person could turn their life around yet be unable to become a parent again.

I am neither for nor against it. I'd have to hear more before deciding.


How about a long-lasting subcutaneous slow release contraceptive injection??
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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:58pm
 
... wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:45pm:
aikmann4 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 12:56pm:
Why not? I'm not big on compulsory eugenics but in the case of extreme deviancy and degeneracy, I move beyond my preferred "voluntary" approach.



Because, I believe false complaints are quite common in family court battles.  How would ya feel having ya crackers cut off becasue your ex made up some bullshit to get custody, or increased child support?


I think the guy in the OP means parents who have been caught by the child welfare services, and have a documented history....

Not so much the sort of 'he said/she said' that goes on divorce cases....
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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:58pm
 
I think in theory it could work.  In theory communism works.

That said, why is he adocating this, instead of adovating for the sterilisation of convicted known pedofiles?
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Verge wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:58pm:
I think in theory it could work.  In theory communism works.

That said, why is he adocating this, instead of adovating for the sterilisation of convicted known pedofiles?


That might be next....however, I doubt it would make any difference to a paedophile.....

Although there is the 'Sex Offender Registry' system....
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Reply #10 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm
 

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:52pm:
Vanessa wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:28pm:
I like the idea, but a person could turn their life around yet be unable to become a parent again.

I am neither for nor against it. I'd have to hear more before deciding.


How about a long-lasting subcutaneous slow release contraceptive injection??


The female implant is supposed to be effective for 3 years - is there a male equivalent yet!?

Either way, they are close to the surface and could be 'dug-out' by a determined individual...

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Reply #11 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:21pm
 
Equitist wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:52pm:
Vanessa wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:28pm:
I like the idea, but a person could turn their life around yet be unable to become a parent again.

I am neither for nor against it. I'd have to hear more before deciding.


How about a long-lasting subcutaneous slow release contraceptive injection??


The female implant is supposed to be effective for 3 years - is there a male equivalent yet!?

Either way, they are close to the surface and could be 'dug-out' by a determined individual...



Possibly....
But that was only an example....and I'm sure the 'self-removal' problem is a technical detail that could be over come...

I'm not sure, but isn't there a type of tubal ligation that's reversable??

I imagine there'd be a similar version for men...

Of course I could be cynical and suggest adding oral contraceptives to Vodka Cruisers and the cheap Bourbon/cola mixers....
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Reply #12 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm
 
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!
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Reply #13 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:38pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
Verge wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:58pm:
I think in theory it could work.  In theory communism works.

That said, why is he adocating this, instead of adovating for the sterilisation of convicted known pedofiles?


That might be next....however, I doubt it would make any difference to a paedophile.....

Although there is the 'Sex Offender Registry' system....


Apparently they have had success with it in the US with the chemical castration of offenders.  Completley and utterly destroys any sex drive they have.
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Verge wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
Verge wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 1:58pm:
I think in theory it could work.  In theory communism works.

That said, why is he adocating this, instead of adovating for the sterilisation of convicted known pedofiles?


That might be next....however, I doubt it would make any difference to a paedophile.....

Although there is the 'Sex Offender Registry' system....


Apparently they have had success with it in the US with the chemical castration of offenders.  Completley and utterly destroys any sex drive they have.


So I've heard.....the problem is it's weekly injection, and can be countered by testostrone injections...
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Reply #15 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!



Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!



Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....




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Reply #17 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!

Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....


Rubbish - the testes produce testosterone which affects the sexual drive
centers of the brain.
Take away the balls = no more sex drive.
It's simple.
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... wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:11pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!



Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....




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He is obviously married!!!!!

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Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:17pm
 
... wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:11pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!



Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....




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LOL No, from history.....

The Eunuchs in the old harems of Arabia were renown for there ability to 'keep the women happy'....sometimes ALL night, with no risk of them fathering any children....

Something between 50% and 75% (can't remember the exact %...been too long since I read it) of the sex drive exists between your ears....
So removing the gonads reduces, but doesn't eliminate, the ability to perform sexually.......
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Reply #20 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
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The Eunuchs in the old harems of Arabia were renown for there ability to 'keep the women happy'


Rubbish - get off the drugs.
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Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 3:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 2:29pm:
Just cut their balls off - it's simple!

Won't work bobby...castration doesn't stop the urges, or the ability.....just means they don't leave DNA....


Rubbish - the testes produce testosterone which affects the sexual drive
centers of the brain.
Take away the balls = no more sex drive.
It's simple.


And apart from what I just posted above.....

How would that stop paedophiles from groping children????
Quite apart from which, most paedophilia isn't a 'sexual' urge as much as an urge to dominate or humiliate...
Reproductive drives don't usually have much to do with paedophillia...
POWER over another person does...as it does in rape...
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Reply #22 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:05pm
 
I agree, and think if possible, we should be surgically castrating them also, I mean, why should these sick creeps, parents or not be able to enjoy sex full stop?





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If we chop off their phallus, and testicles, this and force them to pee through a catheter, ..and for woman, sew it up, ...  then, lets see them get excited.

You know what makes me sick?

How a convicted paedophile and child rapist can gain custody of his own 4 children...and our courts allow this to occur.

Apparently because it was other peoples kids he'd sexually abused, they deemed him responsible enough to award him custody of his own children, due to their mother being a druggo.

These are crazy times we live in.

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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:35pm
 
mellie wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:11pm:
If we chop off their phallus, and testicles, this and force them to pee through a catheter, ..and for woman, sew it up, ...  then, lets see them get excited.

You know what makes me sick?

How a convicted paedophile and child rapist can gain custody of his own 4 children...and our courts allow this to occur.

Apparently because it was other peoples kids he'd sexually abused, they deemed him responsible enough to award him custody of his own children, due to their mother being a druggo.

These are crazy times we live in.

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No mellie, even that much surgery probably wouldn't work....

Brain surgery 'might' , in the future, when some smart scientist has actually figured out which bit of the brain controls sexual impulses...

Apart from that, castration and even removing the penis and testes would have limited effect...

As long as they have hands and unmodified brains......it'll still go on..
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If we chop off their phallus, and testicles, this and force them to pee
through a catheter, ..and for woman, sew it up,


Come on Mellie - you're going a bit over the top there.
Let's just castrate serial male sex offenders.
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:36pm:
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If we chop off their phallus, and testicles, this and force them to pee
through a catheter, ..and for woman, sew it up,


Come on Mellie - you're going a bit over the top there.
Let's just castrate serial male sex offenders.


I know you don't agree with me bobby...but castration really won't work..
The problem with serial male (and female) child sex offenders is in the BRAIN, not in the sex organs....

Decapitation might work.....other than that, life in prison is the best answer...
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I know you don't agree with me bobby...but castration really won't work..


I will never agree with you on that.
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:43pm:
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I know you don't agree with me bobby...but castration really won't work..


I will never agree with you on that.


I thought not...but the point remains that MOST paedophiles don't 'physically' have sex with their victims....
Mostly it's manual or oral molestation...
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Do we really want to put up with people having children and then not bothering to feed, clean or cloth the children....because it might interfer with the parent's 'social life'????

Does ANY child deserve that??

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I volunteer with helping  young families. Many are under educated
poorer families. One family  I was   shocked to hear are now  having their 3rd child. The other children are not well cared for  as it is.  

But the main issue I have is the health of these poor  kids. Since the age of 18mnths to 2yrs  both started with what sounds like smokers cough.
Both parents are chain smokers and smoke everywhere around the kids, car included (inwhich they spend alot of time strapped into driving around  with nothing else better to do).

I watch these poor kids   at a young age have coughing fits that has turned to asthma and Im sure its due to the parents smoking habits.

I feel so so sorry for them as for years they have had coughing issues nearly daily.  they cough morning noon and mainly night They are constantly full of mucous , And now another one is on its way.

Im no expert but I just hate seeing this. The kids are tired and weak but they are sweet and dont deserve this !
May sound minor but, its not....
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Reply #30 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 5:10pm
 
Bobby, I think you may have made the same mistake as lots of people do as to 'what' a paedophile really is....

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 5:10pm:
Bobby, I think you may have made the same mistake as lots of people do as to 'what' a paedophile really is....


Gizmo - I'm not that dumb.
They butt slam kids. OK - got it?
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Reply #32 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 5:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 9:41pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 5:10pm:
Bobby, I think you may have made the same mistake as lots of people do as to 'what' a paedophile really is....


Gizmo - I'm not that dumb.
They butt slam kids. OK - got it?


Yep, Thought so.....
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Reply #33 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 8:13am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:35pm:
mellie wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:11pm:
If we chop off their phallus, and testicles, this and force them to pee through a catheter, ..and for woman, sew it up, ...  then, lets see them get excited.

You know what makes me sick?

How a convicted paedophile and child rapist can gain custody of his own 4 children...and our courts allow this to occur.

Apparently because it was other peoples kids he'd sexually abused, they deemed him responsible enough to award him custody of his own children, due to their mother being a druggo.

These are crazy times we live in.

Roll Eyes


No mellie, even that much surgery probably wouldn't work....

Brain surgery 'might' , in the future, when some smart scientist has actually figured out which bit of the brain controls sexual impulses...

Apart from that, castration and even removing the penis and testes would have limited effect...

As long as they have hands and unmodified brains......it'll still go on..


Go for the brain surgery option..

For parental abusers a frontal labotomy that turns them into sexless, emotionaless factory/street cleaning fodder that live in dormatiries/caravan parks and their earnings go to their children's upbringing.

As for the pedophiles....brain surgery with a 9mm. An internationally recognised habit breaker.
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