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Reply #45 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
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Reply #46 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
Verge wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 8:04am:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 7:28am:
codswal wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 6:30am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 4:11pm:
It must be nice to be so wrapped up in your own security (which you were lucky enough to be born into) that you can look down on other people for wanting the same thing for themselves and their children.

Going through the proper channels is fine - until you're desperate enough that propriety means nothing.




its interesting as most of our so called asylum seekers are now from Sri Lanka/Tamils... how desperate are these people?  all of a sudden I am thinking, where some others have been in camps for years waiting to be chosen..

suddenly a new group of wealthy people are looking at leaky boats to get them to the promised land.with no papers of course.. and now they will all have children in tow putting even more at risk.but of course that will be all the evil Liberals fault wont it.




Well....yes it is!!!

Why is it that the vast majority of refugees who arrive by plane are largely ignored by those who oppose refugees.....the Liberal party of Australia has demonized and victimized asylum seekers for domestic political gain ever since Pauline Hanson struck a nerve and John Howard saw votes in persecuting minorities to appeal to the lowest denominator in our society.....Sure Tony Abbott could stop the boats by treating genuine refugees like criminals…..perhaps a few might commit suicide and children will have mental illness because of their incarceration but politics is a dirty business and refugees should have realized this when they entered the political debate by choosing a boat as their means to find freedom.....refugees should realize when they come to Australia they need to come by plane not boat.....they need to get with the times!!!

According to Abbott we are fighting in Afghanistan for the freedom of the Afghan people from the Taliban…..all I can say is we have nothing to be proud of and our actions do not match our rhetoric…..we are there for the oil and resources not to help the Afghan people achieve freedom…..how would the people living in that quite little Adelaide town feel if a foreign power started bombing their town and killing there children???

Once lead this people into war and they will forget there ever was such a thing as tolerance.
   
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Firstly you are confusing asylum seekers with refugees.  The Liberal party doesnt have a problem with refugees.  The Liberal party takes issue with those who jump the queue and dont go through the proper channels in order to get refugee status.  How do you think the refugees in camps across the world waiting for settlement in other countries feel knowing they did the right thing by applying for refugee status the legal way when they see and hear of others queue jumping by paying people smugglers to sneak them in.

Its a fundmental mistake you are continuously making.

As for your second part, the Afghan region doesnt have oil.  The Afghan intervention was backed by the UN.  You are confusing the non-UN endorsed invasion of Iraq which was for oil with the efforts in the Afghan region.


Well.....firstly an asylum seeker has not entered the country illegally by coming by boat despite what you might like to think.....you can argue all you like about the morality and people smugglers but the fact remains.....coming to Australia by boat is not illegal and asylum seekers have every right to seek refuge wherever they feel they are safe......this is why they are allowed to stay in Australia and are not prosecuted....this is not the fault of asylum seekers who are desperate to make a better life for themselves this is the fault of governments who have signed the international refugee protocol and who start wars....These countries are then obligated to take refugees because the country they came from is at war and they are genuine refugees.....you reap what you sew!!!

Secondly....

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFSGE68L0EZ20100922

http://www.whale.to/b/scott_b2.html

Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:40  
The United States Marines are expected to do the hard work when it comes to War.  They are given the toughest jobs and the most dangerous tasks to perform and the Marines will not complain and will carry out their assignments as ordered.

So when told to deploy in an uninhabited part of Afghanistan to secure a portion of desolate desert terrain for the sake of ensuring that oil pipelines are built and kept safe from rebel hands, the Marines take on the job.

The Marines might look at this deployment as just another mission that happens to involve oil. This is not the first time, nor is it likely to be the last time the US military gets in a fight over oil. The reason the United States went to war against Saddam Hussein a first time in 1990-91 was to get him out of Kuwait because Kuwait has oil, and because it placed Iraq far too close to Saudi Arabia.


Read more here

http://oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/Middle-East/Oil-for-Blood-in-Afghanistan.html

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Re: Refugees to 'harm' kids' education
Reply #47 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 10:24pm
 
[quote author=philperth2010 link=1287552313/15#19 date=1287610089According to Abbott we are fighting in Afghanistan for the freedom of the Afghan people from the Taliban…..all I can say is we have nothing to be proud of and our actions do not match our rhetoric…..we are there for the oil and resources not to help the Afghan people achieve freedom…..how would the people living in that quite little Adelaide town feel if a foreign power started bombing their town and killing there children???

Once lead this people into war and they will forget there ever was such a thing as tolerance.
   
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Smiley [/quote]


There is no oil in Afghanistan.  Lotsa poppies, but no oil.
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Reply #48 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 10:38pm
 
phantomlady wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 10:24pm:
[quote author=philperth2010 link=1287552313/15#19 date=1287610089According to Abbott we are fighting in Afghanistan for the freedom of the Afghan people from the Taliban…..all I can say is we have nothing to be proud of and our actions do not match our rhetoric…..we are there for the oil and resources not to help the Afghan people achieve freedom…..how would the people living in that quite little Adelaide town feel if a foreign power started bombing their town and killing there children???

Once lead this people into war and they will forget there ever was such a thing as tolerance.
   
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There is no oil in Afghanistan.  Lotsa poppies, but no oil. [/quote]

Really???

A preliminary survey found that Afghanistan may have 1.8 billion barrels of oil in the north of the country, an official said.


The survey by Afghan and international geologists found the possible oil field between Balkh and Jawzjan provinces, Mines Ministry spokesman Jawad Omar said.

He said the survey would be reviewed and a statement about the possible field is expected by the end of the year or early in 2011. He gave no further details.

Last June, Afghan officials said US geologists believe the country has nearly one trillion US dollars in mineral resources, although it could take decades and peace with the Taliban and other insurgents before it can be fully exploited.

Oil was first discovered in Afghanistan in 1959 in the country's part of the Amu Darya and Afghan-Tajik basins of the north.

A 2006 report by the US Department of Energy estimated that Afghanistan has about one billion barrels of recoverable oil, although the US Geological Survey the same year put the figure at nearly two billion barrels.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/oil-field-discovered-in-afghanistan-2053829.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html

August 15, 2010
Afghanistan's Mining Ministry announced today that a new oil deposit with an estimated 1.8 billion barrels of crude has been discovered in the north of the country.

Ministry spokesman Jawad Omar told the French news agency AFP that the new oil deposit extends in a triangle between Balkh, Hairatan, and Shuburghan.

Geologists are not expected to complete further assessments on the ground until January, and then the deposit will be opened to tender, Omar said.

It is the sixth oil deposit discovery made in Afghanistan.
The largest were found in the Amu Darya river basin marking the border between Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan.

http://www.rferl.org/content/Afghanistan_Discovers_New_Oil_Deposit/2128315.html
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Reply #49 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 6:46am
 
The meeting at Woodside in the Adelaide Hills to discuss the asylum seekers that will be housed there attracted around 500 people who were made up mainly of the over 55's and a group of younger National Action ultra Nationalists.
It was heartening to see the age group that represents the majority of Australians...the 15 to 50 age group kept well away from this hatemonger exercise in refugee bashing.
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Reply #50 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 6:59am
 
Oops ..I should add that at least 10% of the 500 were a group of backroom Liberal Party members that were wandering around stirring the oldies into a frenzy of racial intolerance.
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Reply #51 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 7:14am
 
It is heartening to see a few private schools in the Adelaide Hills are already putting together proposals offering to take in the asylum seeker children.
The fact is, the extremist neo Nationalist groups from Adelaide are hijacking this issue to further their hate mongering agenda so people need to stick together and show these thugs that Australia wont have a bar of their extremism.
I congratulate the Adelaide Hills private schools for their compassion and decency and I condemn the ultra nationalists for their narrow minded fear and intolerance.
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Reply #52 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 7:17am
 
More preening garbage from Homer Simpson Smiley
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Reply #53 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 7:31am
 
I was there yesterday  Tongue
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Reply #54 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am
 
I feel quite sure that public schools with a large number of refugee children will be allocated  extra ESL (english as a second language) teachers and that the Aussie children will broaden their education  by mixing with different cultures and ethnic groups.

I don't see that the Aussie children will be harmed in any way.
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Reply #55 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:26am
 
It is interesting that the long term residents of Woodside and the surrounding areas who were at the meeting had never seen most of the anti refugee protesters who were at the meeting before.
One good thing that has come from the publicity this has caused is the back room Liberal Party members and the neo nationalists will be exposed.
It is also interesting that the Adelaide Hills mayor who originally supported the concept of housing and supporting the refugees at Woodside, has since he met with Liberal Party hacks just prior to the meeting, changed his tune.

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Reply #56 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 11:05am
 
"The audiometrist, who works in a local hearing-care centre, said the refugee children's limited English would mean teachers had less time for Australian-born students"






Sounds like MY schooldays, in outer suburban Melbourne of the 1960's, when half the kids were those of newly arrived Greek and Italian immigrants

One of the kids introduced me to pizza for the first time at a 'lunch swap'

NOWADAYS I imagine the kids at my old school are swapping for pork dumplings, won-tons and tandooris



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Reply #57 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
nevermind. there is no point in upseting anybody.
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Reply #58 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 5:16pm
 
These people are disadvantaged as it is and all some people can do is complain about how they're going to fill up Australia's public schools and housing. No compassion.
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Reply #59 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 5:51pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 11:05am:
"The audiometrist, who works in a local hearing-care centre, said the refugee children's limited English would mean teachers had less time for Australian-born students"

Sounds like MY schooldays, in outer suburban Melbourne of the 1960's, when half the kids were those of newly arrived Greek and Italian immigrants

One of the kids introduced me to pizza for the first time at a 'lunch swap'

NOWADAYS I imagine the kids at my old school are swapping for pork dumplings, won-tons and tandooris



LOL....Brings back fond memories.

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I used to walk home with a kid called Enzo, whose big Italian Mama thought I was too skinny.

When I finally got home my mum wondered why I didn't want any dinner.


I can remember walking through Brunswick, late '50s early '60s, with my girlfriend.
Never once were we harassed by the Italian kids.

Sth Yarra, Toorak, Malvern, etc were a different matter and they were WASP areas back then.

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