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phantomlady Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141 Gender:	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:29pm I have no issues with abortion, though as a birth control method it's a very slack option. To self abort is simply stupid and dangerous.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #16 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:29pm Quote: I spat my Lady Earl tea all over my keyboard! GUFFAW!!! Oh my. That sounds familiar
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #17 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:37pm LMAO!!!!!!! Annie your views on abortion are disgusting. As a PROUD MEDITERRANEAN AUSTRALIAN, BORN AND BRED HERE, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO APOLOGISE FOR YOUR RUDENESS AND INSULTING ATTITUDE TOWARDS AUSTRALIAN WOMEN EVERYWHERE! I'm outta here!
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #18 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm You forgot to highlight parts of your post for the rest of us idiots that can't grasp the meaning without help.
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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #19 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 7:30pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm: You forgot to highlight parts of your post for the rest of us idiots that can't grasp the meaning without help. Don`t forget the fathers` right to demand termination of unwanted pregnancies, or have you a twist to the "equality" scam?
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Reply #20 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:01pm

locutius wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

Verge I see where you are coming from but "incubator" is not the correct terminology.

Rather "moral being bearing young" or "1/2 of accountable pair bearing young"

This is a topic that can get way out of hand and I will be the first to admit to currently being a fence sitter on this issue. I was once pro-choice but that is no longer the case. I have a strong sense of peoples freedoms but that is balanced by a strong sense of peoples responsibilities.

I think that abortion beyond a certain month is basically murder, what that age is I do not have a clear definition.

The highlight point I agree with. I too am yet to be able to determine the cut off point. As I said earlier, I think women deserve to know their rights at what that point is. Anything after that point is murder.

Im certaintly not advocating that abortion at anytime up to birth is acceptable.

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Reply #21 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:34pm

skippy. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Verge wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 2:56pm:

Im all for pro-choice. No one knows better than those involved whether or not they want that child.

To expect someone to carry to term and then hand the child over to the adoption authorities is kidding themselves. Why should the mother be an incubator for a child they dont want just to keep people who have nothing to do with them happy.

The law is pathetically outdated. No one should be forced to be an incubator.

Well said, I agree.

Ditto - and definitely up until the end of the first trimester!

That said, if a woman has been aware of her pregnancy during the first trimester, then the choice to abort later would tend to suggest escalating psycho-social (and/or physical) stress as the pregnancy progresses. For this reason, I would be concerned about strictly enforcing a first trimester rule...

For most women, the decision to abort is not one that is made lightly - and many suffer lifelong guilt and grief...

It is only a small percentage who repeatedly use abortion as a method of birth control - and I would suggest that these are precisely the types of women who might be unwittingly making a good choice for the embryo/foetus...

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Reply #22 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:51pm

phantomlady wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

I have no issues with abortion, though as a birth control method it's a very slack option.

To self abort is simply stupid and dangerous.

Certainly, a manually-induced abortion is dangerous - including ones performed by trained professionals...

BTW, folks, spontaneous miscarriages are far more common than many people realise - often a woman is a few days to a week 'late' but doesn't get around to doing a pregnancy test before they spontaneously abort...

Others do the test and then begin to bleed a few days later - and the pregnancy is never confirmed by a medical professional...

A not-insignificant proportion of women who choose an early abortion would have spontaneously miscarried within a few weeks anyway - but it is understandable that women and their partners choose to terminate as early as possible...

The women in my extended family have had numerous miscarriages between them - including my own mother who suddenly (without warning pains) miscarried into the home toilet at around 5 months...

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #23 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:54pm My opinion: It's her body, it's her choice.
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qikvtec Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1846 Queensland	Re: * SIGN the PETITION for reproductive CHOICE * Reply #24 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 9:12pm Alexander Shulgin pretty much summarised my attitude toward abortion and most other personal physical and mental health issues. There is plenty of satisfactory evidence for legal abortion to be legislated to about the 33rd trimester. <-- This is not the quote I had in mind.
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Reply #25 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 10:10pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 9:12pm:

Alexander Shulgin pretty much summarised my attitude toward abortion and most other personal physical and mental health issues.

There is plenty of satisfactory evidence for legal abortion to be legislated to about the 33rd trimester. <-- This is not the quote I had in mind.

1 trimester = 3 months.

You want to allow termination till the child is 8 years and 3 months old?

An unborn child would not be considered brain dead after about 10 weeks.

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Reply #26 - Oct 20^th, 2010 at 10:30pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

My opinion:

It's her body, it's her choice.

This is probably the most common statment used on this topic which I have a problem with - I feel that it is nowhere near that simple.

While I am not anti abortion I do sometimes sound that way.

I think that there should be a time when the unborn child has some rights which should not be violated.

I think at some point an unborn child should have the right to expect that he or she will not be destroyed on the whim of the women carrying the pregnancy.

I am not sure that I would agree that the child being carried is the women’s body or that she should have the unquestioned right to kill the unborn child.

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Reply #27 - Oct 21^st, 2010 at 9:19am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 10:30pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

My opinion:

It's her body, it's her choice.

This is probably the most common statment used on this topic which I have a problem with - I feel that it is nowhere near that simple.

While I am not anti abortion I do sometimes sound that way.

I think that there should be a time when the unborn child has some rights which should not be violated.

I think at some point an unborn child should have the right to expect that he or she will not be destroyed on the whim of the women carrying the pregnancy.

I am not sure that I would agree that the child being carried is the women’s body or that she should have the unquestioned right to kill the unborn child.

Well stated.

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Reply #28 - Oct 21^st, 2010 at 10:32am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 10:30pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

My opinion:

It's her body, it's her choice.

This is probably the most common statment used on this topic which I have a problem with - I feel that it is nowhere near that simple.

While I am not anti abortion I do sometimes sound that way.

I think that there should be a time when the unborn child has some rights which should not be violated.

I think at some point an unborn child should have the right to expect that he or she will not be destroyed on the whim of the women carrying the pregnancy.

I am not sure that I would agree that the child being carried is the women’s body or that she should have the unquestioned right to kill the unborn child.

Its for a similar reason that if a woman is past a certain time and is attacked by a criminal that results in the loss of the child, that person if caught should face a charge of murder or manslaughter in the very least, and not the usual toothless asault charge.

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Reply #29 - Oct 21^st, 2010 at 10:52am

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Its for a similar reason that if a woman is past a certain time and is attacked by a criminal that results in the loss of the child, that person if caught should face a charge of murder or manslaughter in the very least, and not the usual toothless asault charge.

Absolutely.

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This is a topic that can get way out of hand and I will be the first to admit to currently being a fence sitter on this issue. I was once pro-choice but that is no longer the case. I have a strong sense of peoples freedoms but that is balanced by a strong sense of peoples responsibilities.

I think that abortion beyond a certain month is basically murder

That's exactly how I feel, Loc.

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Don`t forget the fathers` right to demand termination of unwanted pregnancies, or have you a twist to the "equality" scam?

Do you support a wife's right to 'demand' a husband undergo a vasectomy?

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