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Reply #30 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:33pm
 
Look, I like many people are sceptical about a number of his  and other scientists theories, (Last I checked, it wasn't a criminal offence to question scientific theory)  so I ask you, what did he win a number of science awards for, can you specifically state them so I may delve into them more thoroughly myself.

Perhaps just name one or two?

Or should I just assume that like god, he always was, and always will be forever righteous, immortalised throughout the pages of scientific history, his brain worth preserving, simply because others like you appreciated his genealogy first, then his theories, many of which themselves remain questionable at best.

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Reply #31 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 7:37pm
 
Jesus turned water into wine, ...now, that's what I call advanced chemistry 2000 odd years ago....   Wink

Wink...  Then there was the whole walking on water thingo, perhaps he mastered the art of altering the waters surface tension some how or another... and was a scientist in his own right also?

History says it's true, so it must be right?



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Reply #32 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
mellie wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm:
I am entitled to my opinion, and whilst you argue that Einstein was famous for the above stated, can you precisely tell me what it was he won a Nobel Prize for?

Hint, it was for none of which you mention above.

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I'm not anti-simite, I'm anti-bullshite.



Yes it was...

""for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect"
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Reply #33 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
Leaving your wife and three kids to marry your cousin isn't very noble.

look how he went from an unremarkable considered slow student, to unemployable teacher who couldn't find a post, so in 1905 took up a position as a patents clerk. During his stay at the Patent Office, and in his "spare time", he produced much of his remarkable work and in 1908 he was appointed Privatdozent in Berne.

Tully inspiring....  and uncanny how much of his inspiring work was achieved during his short stay at the patent office, I would have thought he would have come up with much of it after having embarked on his rather profound scientific journey away from the patents office.

Einstein's researches are, of course, well chronicled and his more important works include...
Special Theory of Relativity (1905),
Relativity (English translations, 1920 and 1950),
General Theory of Relativity (1916),
Investigations on Theory of Brownian Movement (1926),
and The Evolution of Physics (1938).
Among his non-scientific works, About Zionism (1930),
Why War? (1933),
My Philosophy (1934),
and  Out of My Later Years (1950) are perhaps the most important.

None of which he received a Nobel prize for.

So as you can see, he started off with something "quirky" from the patents office in 1905...then spent the next 30 odd years re-writing the same theory, paraphrasing it perhaps into his own words,(talk about milking a good thing)...then embarked on a more politicised career, writing articles about Zionism, socialism, apathy, and ultimately himself.

Talk about regressing~

When he was a child, right up into his teens, his parents thought he was retarded, you know, I think they had it right the first time.

Because eccentricity as we know is a much nicer way of saying someone is a lunatic.

He married Mileva Maric in 1903 and they had a daughter and two sons; their marriage was dissolved in 1919 and in the same year he married his cousin, Elsa Löwenthal, who died in 1936. He died on April 18, 1955 at Princeton, New Jersey.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/einstein-bio.html




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Reply #34 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 9:48pm
 
Ironic how he achieved most of his best stuff whilst working at the patients office as a clerk.

Must have been a slow job....funny the discovery's  one makes in a patents office.

Cool....  Notice how he spent the next 30+ years rewriting the same theory, just in different ways...and a different language even. Clever!

And again, he did not receive a Nobel Prize for his infamous 'Special'  theory of relativity.









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Reply #35 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
Wow, he achieved so much more at the patents office, perhaps he should have stayed there?

Albert Einstein's mathematical description of how the photoelectric effect was caused by absorption of quanta of light (now called photons), was in one of his 1905 papers, named "On a Heuristic Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light". This paper proposed the simple description of "light quanta", or photons, and showed how they explained such phenomena as the photoelectric effect. His simple explanation in terms of absorption of discrete quanta of light explained the features of the phenomenon and the characteristic frequency. Einstein's explanation of the photoelectric effect won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921.

Truly inspiring, and to think, all his great discoveries were made whilst he worked as a clerk at the patents office.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out how this most likely occurred.

Why nothing of significance after he left, whereby he preceded to spend the next 30 odd years teaching and paraphrasing his "patent office" theories?



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Reply #36 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 4:58am
 
Mellie

Bjerknes is a crank of the highest order, as people who actually know the scientific and historical facts can testify. So it is nonsense for him to write: "The fact that Einstein was a plagiarist is common knowledge in the physics community." For an accurate account of Einstein's work, one that shows up the many false stories about Einstein circulating on the internet, see Albrecht Folsing, *Albert Einstein*, 1997.

If you check out Bjerknes's website you'll see he lives in a fantasy world where the Jews/Zionists are conspiring to wipe out all gentiles, and all manner of people are their agents, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran! Einstein, being a Jew who became an ardent Zionist, is a natural target for Bjerknes
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Reply #37 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 5:16am
 
No, no,no, not at all... I don't think his mode of thought is at all quite right,(way over the top)  laughs...(re-his Zionist paranoia theory)...it's simply a theory I arrived at myself years ago, then set about delving into to see if others had arrived at the same conclusion, with Einstein having published his best, in fact, all of which was note worthy during a magical 1905, when he worked at the patents office as a clerk.

Ok, I might be wrong, but you have to admit, it is kind of strange that he should not do much more until the 1930's.. then change his genre, (to politics)...this is other than expand on others theories or set about paraphrasing, rewriting, translating his own that he wrote in his magical 1905.

Cool...Must have been a rather inspirational patents office I think.

Look, I'm a bit of a conspiracy buff/Dan Brown fan, you may have noticed this already, so if you find what I have written offensive, just take it with a grain of salt, and brush me off as being a conspiranaut or a nut-case, I'll forgive you.

.... I just get these gut feelings sometimes, and probably what's worse, and serves to reinforce my process is that quite often, I find I'm right even if I do say so myself.

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Reply #38 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 5:47am
 
Mellie, you wrote:
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I might be wrong…


You are! With all due respect, it does help if you have even a minimal knowledge of the facts about someone you are commenting on.

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it is kind of strange that he should not do much more until the 1930's… then change his genre, (to politics).


Einstein did a great deal more continuously after the publication of his 1905 papers, which is why he was revered by the eminent physicist of his day. As with most physicists with the greatest achievements, his best work was done before he was 40. But he worked on at Princeton trying (and failing) to discover a unified field theory. He became active in politics but only from the sidelines of actual political affairs, but he never stopped working on theoretical physics.

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…other than expand on others theories or set about paraphrasing, rewriting, translating his own that he wrote in his magical 1905.


Sorry, that is complete (and ignorant) nonsense. You really shouldn't believe something just because you read it somewhere.

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Must have been a rather inspirational patents office I think.


Strangely enough, it was! He had been working on his own ideas relating to the advanced theoretical physics of the day since was about nineteen. He started employment at the Bern patent office when he was about 22, and found it wasn't totally time-consuming, so he snatched odd moments to work on his physics topic of the moment. He also worked on his ideas in the evenings and on Sundays. Then in the summer of 1904 an old friend of his from his college days, Michele Besso, joined the patent office, and they fervently discussed Einstein's ideas, especially on their joint journey home from work. (Besso gets an acknowledgement at the end of the 1905 special relativity paper.)
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Reply #39 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:40am
 
Look, he was a tryer, I'll give him that.
He got knocked back year after year (trying to get into university) , until, the year of the magi...1905, when he submitted a couple of theories he claims to have dreamt up in his bed one night, and hit the jackpot.

Then, nothing!  

Other than expanding on other scientists theories, and coming up with a few out-there star-treck theories of his own... from 1905 to 1930 he just rewrote his same old patent-office relativity theory,(paraphrased it a few times)...expanded on someone else's discovery in 1921 then settled into scientific celebritism.
Post 1930's he went a bit senile screwing his cousin and began writing about socialism, Zionism, pacifism, and even about himself.

Something he knew about for a change, must have been rather refreshing.

He won a noble prize for his contributory services to theoretical Physics, this and his contributory services to "photoelectric effect", which had already been discovered by someone else , all he did was spit and polish it.

And even then, he only won the Nobel Prize in 1922, after the selection panel in 1921 decided none of the nominations (including his) met their criteria, as outlined in the will of Alfred Nobel.

Then after a year of nothing much else surfacing, (talent wise) according to the Nobel Foundation's statutes, the Nobel Prize can in such cases be reserved until the following year, after loosening the rules a little, at which point a statute was applied and allowed for him to score a noble he would not have otherwise got had something truly talented met their minimal selection criteria. Must have been a quiet year in the field of physics....his parents probably paid them to give it to him, the way they tried to pay his way into college without success until he got published in 1905 after producing a couple of patent office theories, none of which he received the Nobel for.

So, it couldn't have been too fantastic!

Yet, we to this day, think of his theory of relativity when paying tribute to his work.

It's sad in a way, he was forever being knocked back, I think he had incredibly pushy parents, who just wouldn't accept the fact that their 34 year old son required velcro ties on his built-up sneakers...this and was not aware of his own limitations. Ok, he was obviously bright, wouldn't have pulled it off otherwise, but I don't think he was "AS" bright as we are lead to believe he is today.

It was a runner-up award my friend, one they relaxed the rules for because he was the best they had, possibly all they had at the time even though he didn't quite meet their criteria the year before.

Look, he was a trier, i'll give credit where it's due.

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Reply #40 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:42am
 
Look, he was a tryer, I'll give him that.
He got knocked back year after year (trying to get into university) , until, the year of the magi...1905, when he submitted a couple of theories he claims to have dreamed up and hit the jackpot.

Then, nothing! 

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Reply #41 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:45am
 
einstein also contacted rosevelt 33 degree freemason and

satanic despot and clued him in to the atomic bomb plans

which they worked frantically upon and delivered upon hiroshima

and nagasaki

these were in league with the annunaki reptilians

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html

Various conspiracy theorists claim that experiments began in earnest in the early 1980s. They claim that during this time one, some or all of the following occurred at the site. No evidence has ever been provided that any of the following is true:

The facility was expanded to as many as twelve levels and several hundred workers. Some reports have the facility extending under the town of Montauk itself.
Homeless people and orphans were abducted and subjected to huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation to test mind control technology and remote brain programming. Few survived.
People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air. Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been involved in the Montauk Project, and as a result, he says, his "psionic" faculties were boosted, but at the cost of emotional instability, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other issues. An alien supposedly designed a chair, which an individual could sit in to boost his mental and precipatory powers. A prototype duplicate was given to England and put in a facility on the Thames River.
Experiments were conducted in teleportation.
A "porthole (portal?) in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel." Underground tunnels with abandoned cultural archives were explored on Mars using this technique.
Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".
Mind control experiments were conducted and runaway and kidnapped boys were abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excruciating periods of both physical and mental torture in order to break their minds, then their minds were re-programmed. Many were supposedly killed during the process and buried on the site. Others were released with programming as mind-slaves with alternate personalities to be sleeper cells who could be activated to perform missions.
On or about on August 12, 1983 the time travel project at Camp Hero interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project back in 1943. The USS Eldridge was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in hyperspace and ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp Hero in the year 1983. Here they claim to have met John von Neumann, a famous physicist and mathematician, even though he was known to have died in 1957. Von Neumann had supposedly worked on the original Philadelphia Experiment, but the U.S. Navy denies this.
Flying saucers were observing the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943 and and got sucked into a time warp and was transported to one of the underground tunnels in Montauk and got stuck there. The aliens demanded a large quartz crystal to help get their ship's engines started to be able to leave. The time machine was used to obtain one from another planet.
Nikola Tesla, whose death was faked in a Conspiracy, was the chief director of operations at the base. Mass psychological experiments, such as the use of enormous subliminal messages projects and the creation of a "Men in Black" corps to confuse and frighten the public, were invented there.
Professional wrestler Rob Van Dam claims to have accidentally stumbled upon the area while driving to an arena. During one hour's time, he went into the time tunnel and claimed to have met Nikola Tesla, who told him that he was "...going to return in 2007 to end it all".
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Reply #42 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:54am
 
[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1287360366/30#41 date=1287434702]einstein also contacted rosevelt 33 degree freemason and

satanic despot and clued him in to the atomic bomb plans

which they worked frantically upon and delivered upon hiroshima

and nagasaki

these were in league with the annunaki reptilians[/quote]


Yes , I know he was a mason, but then again, who wasn't back then who had enough money to go to college.
It was more or less a cultural norm among the intellectual members of society.... a sophisticated intellectual gents club.

People didn't have TV's back then its-the-light....

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Reply #43 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:54am
 
Below is an interview I did with Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron who were guests on my TV talk show "The Metaphysical Experience" in 1991. This does not imply that I agree with what was told to me.

There is something about the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project that draws the same people together over and over, this being posted in 2007, and my connection with them having begun in 1989. We have shared memories gathered independently and yet the same. I was not part of either project, but share other memories from a parallel experience. I do not believe the events will ever be proven, but there is something that links the time travel experiments of WW II with our current time line, experiences and the destiny of humanity, not to mention reality as a consciousness experiment in linear time.

There are events that parallel our biogenetic experiment, as an alien platform, the Nazi Germany WW II biogenetic experiments and time travel itself. When we move through Project Stargate we are looking at a metaphoric message linking SG with the sacred geometric design of our programmed reality.

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The Philadelphia experiment originally began back in the 1930's in Chicago with three people. Dr. John Hutchinson Sr., who was the Dean of the University of Chicago, Nicola Tesla, and Dr. Kurtenaur, who was an Austrian physicist who was on staff at the University.

They decided to do something with the speculation regarding the concept of things and people being invisible. This subject had been discussed for several year. They got together and did some research at the University of Chicago around 1931 or 1932. In 1933 the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton was formed and the project was transferred there in 1934. One of the people on staff at the Institute was Dr. John Erich Von Neumann, who was from Budapest Hungary. He got his degree in chemistry in 1925 and his Ph.D. in mathematics in 1926. He taught in Europe for about four years and transferred to the United States. He taught at the graduate level for three years and was invited to join the Institute.

Other people at the Institute included Albert Einstein, who left Germany in 1930. He went to the California Institute of Technology for three years and taught there and then went to the Institute upon their invitation and acceptance. A lot of other people showed up there as time went on. The project expanded about 1936. In the meantime, Tesla was named director of the project. He was a friend of president Franklin Roosevelt, whom Tesla met in 1917 when FDR was secretary of the Navy.

Tesla was asked at that time to do some work for the government for the war effort, which he did. He accepted and became director of the invisibility project until he resigned in 1942. In 1936, after intensive study, they decided to have an initial test of their work. They achieved some partial invisibility. The Navy and everyone else was encouraged to continue the work, and the Navy supplied money for research.

Scientists were coming to the United States from Germany until 1939, when the war with Germany was started.

In 1940, after research using Tesla's approach, they decided they were ready for a full test at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. They had a small ship and a tender ship at each side. One ship provided the power and the other supplied the drive for the coils. They were tendered to the test ship by cables. The idea was that if anything went wrong they could cut the cables or sink the test ship. Everything worked and the project was declared a success.
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http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml

Text of the Letters

Einstein's First Letter to Roosevelt

Notes:
The letter that launched the arms race. A warning to President Roosevelt of the possibility of constructing "extremely powerful bombs of a new type" with hints that the German government might be doing just that. Addressed and dated Peconic, Long Island, August 2nd 1939, it was most likely written by Leo Szilard, the scientist who invented the chain reaction. Nevertheless, Einstein took full responsibility for its consequences, calling it "the greatest mistake" of his life. I have tried to reproduce the formatting as it appeared in the original. This is the only letter for which I have done this.
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Public Domain. See the list of mirror sites to view photocopies of the original letter.
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