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Question: SHould wife-smacking be allowed

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Oct 17th, 2010 at 6:49pm
 
Abu I don't think we ever got a straight answer from you in this thread:

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 14th, 2010 at 6:56pm:
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And since when has beating your wife become non-abusive? Do Muslims have to attach a dual meaning to everything?


Hitting need not be abusive. Parents often hit their children to discipline them, and it's usually not abusive, even when it causes bruising sometimes.

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He said nothing of the abuse and he did not reprimand the husband for his actions


Yes, he was wise enough to enquire as to why.

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Therefore he allowed it


In this particular case he did not take action against the man for it, does not mean it's a permissible action. Assuming it was even abuse, which I don't think is established anyway.


When is hitting not abusive?

What are the limits (if any) placed on wife beating by Islamic law?

When Muhammed 'examined the reasons' for his comrades beating their wives until their skin turned green, what was his reason for not criticising them or taking action against them?

Can you explain the reason why it may not be permissable if it went unpunished? What is the difference?
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Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2010 at 8:49pm
 
You're seriously a loser fd.

I think you'd be better off spending your time addressing the 15,000 women raped by Christian/Democratic soldiers that I posted about in the Extremism Exposed forum. Seems you've been worried all this time about semantics and definitions in Islamic jurisprudence, and forgotten all about your own people and the horrors they're living with...
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Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2010 at 9:10pm
 
Thanks for the advice Abu. I often wonder what the best use of my time would be.

Now, any chance of an 'open and frank' answer?
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Reply #3 - Oct 17th, 2010 at 9:17pm
 
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Thanks for the advice Abu. I often wonder what the best use of my time would be.



A word of advice: it ain't on the net.

"do as I say, not as I do"
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Reply #4 - Oct 17th, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
Seriously, the topic has been done to death, I've stated on _numerous_ occasions in no uncertain terms the Islamic viewpoint on it, and yet time and time again, you claim there's been no discussion on it, you haven't been "satisfied" with what you want to take place in any discussion on the issue, and then you cry that Muslims obfuscate and won't tell you the truth or something.

I am at a loss to understand how you ask it again and again with a straight face.

I guess it's part of your "Muslims never tell the truth" so there's "Always more to come out" fantasy isn't it?
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Reply #5 - Oct 17th, 2010 at 9:30pm
 
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I've stated on _numerous_ occasions in no uncertain terms the Islamic viewpoint on it


Would you mind linking to one of those examples? Just one will do. Because all I see are contradictions and ambiguity.

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and yet time and time again, you claim there's been no discussion on it


Again Abu, you put words in my mouth. Try quoting me instead of just making things up. There has been plenty of discussion. Just not open and frank discussion.
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Reply #6 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:23pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17th, 2010 at 8:49pm:
You're seriously a loser fd.

I think you'd be better off spending your time addressing the 15,000 women raped by Christian/Democratic soldiers that I posted about in the Extremism Exposed forum. Seems you've been worried all this time about semantics and definitions in Islamic jurisprudence, and forgotten all about your own people and the horrors they're living with...



OH FFS .. MORE MADE UP RUBBISH NOW!!!

And YOU think FD is the loser here??? Pffft!
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Reply #7 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:42pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17th, 2010 at 9:21pm:
Seriously, the topic has been done to death, I've stated on _numerous_ occasions in no uncertain terms the Islamic viewpoint on it, and yet time and time again, you claim there's been no discussion on it, you haven't been "satisfied" with what you want to take place in any discussion on the issue, and then you cry that Muslims obfuscate and won't tell you the truth or something.

I am at a loss to understand how you ask it again and again with a straight face.

I guess it's part of your "Muslims never tell the truth" so there's "Always more to come out" fantasy isn't it?



Brian, you know full well that Islam suppoprts DV.
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Reply #8 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:20pm
 

Who the hell is Brian LMAO ????
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Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:52pm
 
Islam supports physical discipline in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.

On the contrary it's the Western societies which promote and support Domestic Violence, through the rampant abuse of alcohol and the degrading view of women as hyper-sexualised objects of lust, to be used and abused to serve the interests of men.

You cannot change the cold hard facts on the ground by merely peddling misguided and ignorant stereotypes that you've been duped into believing by your immoral and shameless sensationalist media.
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Reply #10 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 11:51am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 10:52pm:
Islam supports physical discipline in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.


Enough said.

So FD was right all along.
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Reply #11 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:29pm
 
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Islam supports physical discipline in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.



That is domestic violence, and if you advocate it you are no better than the perpetrator.
I have always stood up for you here Abu, as I think you get a hard time just because you're a Muslim, but making statements like that makes me think I was wrong, you are no better, if you condone domestic violence, which you obviously do, you are a  
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Reply #12 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:38pm
 
skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:29pm:
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Islam supports physical discipline in extreme cases where a wife takes to rebelliousness and does not listen to her husband.



That is domestic violence, and if you advocate it you are no better than the perpetrator.
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Much respect Skippy. You are a decent man for calling a spade a spade.

Domestic violence against women is exactly that .. and there is NO EXCUSE for it WHATSOEVER!

And  .. in Oz it's a CRIME!

I'm out of here!
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Reply #14 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:20pm
 
This is not a very encouraging thread. It seems that everyone has their own uninformed opinion of what is the case. Seriously, it seems that Muslims are being held to account to a higher standard than what goes on in everyday society. Domestic violence is rife in Australia. No one group owns it or most of it. Recall the campain against it? Australia says no?

Most anyone if asked would say they don't condone domestic violence. I did a few searches on the net. I googled, "Does Islam condone Domestic violence". Seems not. I suppose if I googled , "Does Christianity" condone DV, I'd get similar. I bet if I plugged in "Does the TWUA condone DV", I'd get the same.

And then there is the reality of what goes on.

The only people who can hold their heads high in this sort of "debate" are those who do not engage in such behaviour.
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