Quote:That is domestic violence, and if you advocate it you are no better than the perpetrator.
So long as you're willing to accept smacking children is child abuse, then I'll give you this one.
Quote:I have always stood up for you here Abu, as I think you get a hard time just because you're a Muslim...
Much appreciated skip, doesn't mean I'm going to be herded into holding the same views as you though. I think if you honestly took the time to think about what I've said, you'd not so strongly disagree. Islam does not permit domestic abuse, it permits only disciplining a wife, as it permits disciplining a child. Both are under the care and authority of the head of the family according to Islam (lack of this solid family structure in the West has actually led to far more grief for families than a little discipline has).
Obviously you'd never come to agree that the man is the head of the family, since you don't believe in that kind of family oriented society, but at least be rational about examining Islam's stance on discipline. Don't jump to conclusions and lump discipline with abuse, since they are not the same.
Quote:if you condone domestic violence, which you obviously do
No I do not.