Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 1:33pm:


Why did Sophie Delezio who lost both feet and received terrible burns when a car crashed into her child care centre, say on Sixty Minutes that she believed that Mary McKillop performed a miracle by not letting her die ? Why didn't Mary McKillop go the whole hog and regrow her severed limb back and cured her burns and regrow her hair ???

Why does Mary McKillop hate amputees and burn victims ??



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C'mon...be nice...

It keeps the local religious nutters happy.....
Why complain??

Deborahmac09 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 5:40pm:


Because I hate scammers and pedophiles !!

But can anyone tell me why God hates amputees ??

I was babtised a protestant.
I wonder if we are supposed to believe in Catholic Saints?
(or any Saints)

Thank God - excuse the pun - that I converted to science.

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 5:11pm:



oops! I would have thought that he'd be a bit more discreet considering the reputation of the church.

Why did Sophie Delezio who lost both feet and received terrible burns when a car crashed into her child care centre,

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this act from this divine soul sophie should bring one strength

as this dear one chose to display this unto all around her.

she chose to show humanity the strength that lies within us all,again

perspective

how you should act observing this strength is not upon her or

anyone else,it is for your intepretation yes to contemplate how

powerful you are with the many more faculties you do possess.

do you observe this from a positive perspective?

and stand up for all injustice that you indeed have the strength

and capability to confront and

denounce?

life is ebb and flow let this come and let it go

yes good stand up for justice but do not misdirect the blame

and the cause of your worlds problems

you are much more powerful than you know do you trust

in that LIGHT within you?

sophie does,and still has not given up

this is no crime,the only crime that has been committed

is the lower frequency demonic entities that do hoodwink humanity

and their human sell out accomplices that place human babies

at the feet of these demons

this i will not allow and the jurrassic world these dark ones

transcend toward imminently is the proof that karma is a bitch

as it were

and so it is

namaste

-:)

When I worked in the Hospitals, I would say to those that have strong Christian beliefs, "Here, be a dear and save us all some time ...you do the paperwork!".
The Australian Medical Industry has two-thirds more paperwork than any other Medical System in the world. Looks more like a Religious System to me.
One of the reasons I gave up on  the Claytons Medical System 3 years ago. 
Now I'm in the process of writing some damn good books for myself and some silly ones for the money. 

...if you can't beat, join em.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 12:22pm:


badweekend believes that only he deserves a miracle whilst millions of others miss out or die

Church institutions attract ego maniacs like badweekend

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 12:38pm:


Not only that but celebrate it and then rub it in the faces of the millions that missed out

They really are a sick lot. Like I have stated many times, if you cut off their money supply they will eventually disappear the same way they came, along with their fake miracles

Where's that Walter Mitty character - longweekend?

The one that receives miracles.

Longweekend is here now but has avoided this thread.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 5:29pm:


I agree.
The Catholic church didn't like the way she exposed their pedophile rings.
Now they want to make money out of her being a Saint.
They can't have their cake & eat it too.

When did she ever play for St George/Illawarra?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 10:56pm:


Yes and Einsteinian was a fraud, plagiarist, and a dumb-ass... though we still revere him.

mellie wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 11:19pm:


She would say "burn those pedophiles at the stake".

After all many people who did nothing were burnt at
the stake by the Catholics.

whoever of you said you were baptised a protestant (bobbybat?) - that's the problem.

saints are only made in the catholic church after they are dead, and then only after a process that takes often hundreds of years of documentation and evidence which includes cures of incurable disease without any medical intervention.
If there is a God, you can see all around you that that God isn't on tap like beer in a pub. From what I have read and what I understand you actually have to *believe*, (totally) in God, if you want a response. The absolute vast majority of people in the world can't do that to that degree, including yourselves, so why are you so surprised that there aren't miraculous cures for everything for everyone, everyday. Even if it is just the power of the mind and positive thinking which effects these cures, how about you try that out, if you're so sure about everything. I would bet you can't make that work for you either. All this takes more than most people know about.

Mary MacKillop and the Sisters of St Joseph had a duty to report child sex abuse,(so this is no biggie plenty of others have reported child sex abuse)  ...though did Mary MacKillop herself not play her own divine part in a Stolen Generation?

And will the children who were permanently scathed, often brutally, sexually, emotionally by such unspeakable inhumane acts of abuse  by the Sisters of St Joseph be inspired by her sainthood?

There were other generations they abused and used, such as white children who's parents surrendered them to convents, this and spent 6 hours+ each day in the laundry, in order to receive 3 hours of education and a roof over their heads...even Saturdays and Sundays.

Often, these nuns were quite cruel, unforgiving, this and turned a blind eye to the rampant clergy abuse.

Does the canonisation of but one Australian Nun who spoke-up about this atrocity wash away a churches sins, this or condone the abuse these children suffered at the hands of those like Mary MacKillop and the sisters of St Joseph?

It's going to take more than the canonisation of one of our rebellious outspoken deceased old nuns to improve their churches image here in Australia.

They might like to start by surrendering the long-awaited documents concerning child sex-abuse currently being withheld by the Vatican.

Faith and trust being synonymous and all...

Albert Einstein was a bullsh1tt artist, and his theories to this day, (those he didn't plagiarise or borrow from others)  remain just that, theories.

Whilst he's the face of modern science, more specifically, physics, he was unable to prove his own theories.

  He was a fraud, plagiarist and a liar.

the catholic church (like the anglican church, and most other churches and religions, including islam) has been a non-democratic patriarchy. In MacKillop's day almost everyone, clergy and lay people alike were not brave enough or did not have the education, confidence or support to challenge that sort of hierarcy. It is incredible that MacKillop did that, especially on an issue like that, back in the days of colonial Australia. The woman was excommunicated from the church for doing so, which if you knew about it, is a fate worse than death for an old time catholic like MacKillop. It is even more stunning that the Australian bishop who was responsible for that later retracted it, I believe, on his deathbed. That never happens in that organisation.
She was an extremely brave person who did not give one damn about not having money or power. Not many around like that today.

the catholic church did not run the anglo-protestant colonial governments of Australia, or Britain, which came up with policies which gave rise to social agendas like stolen generations.

and please do tell me where the perfect human organisation exists, and I will gladly join it. All of them are flawed institutions and often end up, through the usual process of degradation being often run by people with more ambition than intellect, compassion or a healthy grip on reality.
why stop the blame with the catholics? It just sounds like bias.

When the Vatican hand over the documents concerning child abuse, this will be a true miracle.



Catholicism needed rejuvenating here in Australia, what better way of doing so than canonising one of our nations old favourites.

The Vatican would have enjoyed our publicity and tourism also....

mellie wrote on Oct 16^th, 2010 at 11:54pm:


They have been more than proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are a complete idiot !!

Albert Einstein was an ordinary, unremarkable Jewish schoolboy, who's theories are yet to be proven. Those he didn't borrow from deceased others I mean.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 12:14am:



Not unlike our modern day Climatologists and their AGW theories?

P1ss off with it, I am entitled to my opinion, so suck it up.

Another example of Jewish nepotism is Sigmund Freud.

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Now, lets get back to Mary MacKillop.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 12:30am:



When I want your revered opinion, of which is holier than thou, I will kiss you're tomb.

...Lest we forget, Saint Stephen Hawking and saint Bill Gates

mellie wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 12:41am:


You must have got your science credentials out of a cornflakes packet LOL

mellie wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 1:24am:


What would a nurse know about:
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You have no qualifications to put down Einstein.
You wouldn't even know what he was talking about.

See, they turned nursing into a degree by attaching the sciences, Bio, and behavioural...this and threw in professional development for good measure. Before Nursing became a university degree in it's own right, when my relatives became nurses all those years ago, it was essentially a diploma, minus the science units.

See, the units we studied at university were the same units science students study in their first and second years, meaning, if I were to do a science degree now, I would be exempt from certain science units given I have already done them as part of my nursing degree.

Handy.

.... No, I am not a scientist, but it was enough to get the juices flowing, well and truly.

Mellie - you should listen to this and then go to bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKH9enYiFIU

I'm not a youtube fan, so might pass.

Thanks anyway, I'm sure it's lovely.

Nice song, I just googled the lyrics.

Well, anyhow, time for bed.

Night.

I agree with Mellie, Eistein was more Huff than Puff.
He was like the Great Exhibitor of the "Three Little Pigs" tale,
yet in truth we have come to realise that Houses made of Straw are stronger than Brick in the face of Cyclones, Fires, Earthquakes.
He was all about Theorisms and nothing more. Sure he was the best of that, but thats about it. He once said 'people' use only 10% of their brains ...well I guess that 10% of his was just Mathematical.
You have to be a complete idiot to think he was Bees Knees of Science.
He was just another 'hyped' Jew.

John Paul II - the People's Pope: very popular with the Media and the Masses of People. A Mr Nice Guy alright. But behind closed doors, all sorts of "bad things" were going on and he just turned a blind eye.
Much like the ex-CEO of Cronulla Sharks ...nice bloke, but turned a blind eye to everything that went on in the club.
Now the new Pope (Benedict) seems to be the 'Evil' Pope with his ex-Nazi background etc. He lacks the 'personal appeal' to the Public and especially the Media of whom he doesn't do a 'suck job' to. Instead he is getting known as the Pope who is cleaning up the Church of the 9% paedophiles known, etc. If he gets assassinated, it won't be from the Public, it will be from within the Church by some Poo-Jabber.

Jag - referring to Einstein.
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Well then it's obvious you know nothing about science.

Mellie:

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Only unless she did it from the grave.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 12:14am:


A theory isn't a theory if it has been proven. 

She is now a Saint.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/10/17/vatican.australia.saint/index.html?hpt=T1

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shampain socialist wrote on Oct 17^th, 2010 at 6:21am:


Why must you denominationally categorise me, for what it's worth, I am not religious, this is I don't prescribe to any theism.

So how can this be an Anglican perspective, when I feel the same way about religion in general?

My moral compass works fine without it, without the need to fear a judgemental all-seeing god.

I feel as though I am capable of taking care of my own destiny, this and cope with life's perils without a "guiding" deity to comfort me during tough times.

It's not as though I feel as though religion has failed me,(I respect others who have faith, believe) it's just I feel as though I personally don't need such in order to feel complete, fulfilled, or happy with who I am and the way my life is going.

Admittedly, I think the prospect of a relative dying, or myself even for that matter would be more reassuring if you had been a good person, (which I have been) believing they/you are going to a much better place and all (heaven), but death doesn't frighten me, nor does the prospect of my ceasing to exist in either a physical/spiritual context.

Having gone through the Catholic education system, I have to say, I do admire the churches principles and ethics that were instilled in me as a child ..so I think for some, religion is important, particularly those who require this sort of guidance, or fear factor "rod"  in order to be good people, but I think truly good people are good not because they fear burning in hell,  or hope to be rewarded for being such, of which is a selfish/self preservationist rational for being good to begin with, they are good people because they genuinely want to be good, this and don't need a set of instructions (commandments) to know right from wrong....this or do the right thing by others. They just do so because they want to.

I think religion itself has proven itself to be both a positive and comforting doctrine throughout the ages, though also believe it's been the cause of much horrors also, this and has held the human race back from progressing to what it may have faster, had the 'church' (All belief systems, they have all played their part) not burned/condemned some of our more brilliant this and erased much of our factual history to retain power, wealth.

It's believed Jesus was indeed a Jew, though for some reason or other, those who deem Jesus their saviour are Christians.

It's questionable whether or not he existed at all, this or if he was sacrificed on the cross.

See, because of a number of religious orders blurring the pages of history to suit themselves, we may never know if Jesus 1- existed,  2- if he was crucified, and or went on to have a family himself and lived to be an old man.

See, Christians have based their belief system on some miraculous immortal being, so if we some how discovered evidence to prove Jesus lived until he was 75, this and went on to have a family of his own, would they share this with the world?

No-  

This is the aspect of religion that displeases me most I think...this and has in a sense, stopped mankind from reaching his full potential and to the extent he probably would have had he not been faced with a number of institutional constraints.

Back during the renaissance, when humans began thinking outside the box, and began exploring 'Modern sciences', you basically had to be a Catholic in Rome in order to receive an education, so it was either conform, or be a peasant this and executed.

Some will argue that their church provides comfort to the dying and poor, this and might ask me what my lack-of church does for others, well, to these people I say ...If it weren't for your churches and it's devout adherents/knights/warriors/red-army's taxing and inflicting horrors on the living, this and churning a profit from the deceased throughout the pages of history, this and even continuing to do so now, then perhaps there would be more to go around when it comes to the needy poor and suffering?

The Vatican is a religious state unto itself, as is Israel.

Is this not discriminatory?

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One tiny passage in the bible refers to Africa as being the land of the condemned, it was all it took to justify our mercilessly murdering millions who have lived there throughout the ages.

One tiny passage was all it took, so you can imagine what more than one passage might do ...

Exactly what it has done!

.. To this day, the three worlds leading religions are at war with one another.

Imperium - I'd be interested in this fountain of knowledge too, especially from someone so versed in science.  

I agree that Sigmund Freud was intelligent, albeit an intelligent quack. Snake Oil salesmen tend to be intelligent as a rule. Christopher Monkton is the only exception to that rule I can think of.

muso wrote on Oct 18^th, 2010 at 9:05am:


You forgot L. Ron. It's likely he was either a total dumbarse or completely smacking lazy; it's probably the second one, actually.

Here's the transcript of a speech by Dr. Raju on Einstein's plagiarism. I don't have the motivation or the access to the germane databases to bother checking the primary sources to confirm what he is saying is true.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1259

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Mellie, we are not asking you to revere Einstein. We are asking you to substantiate your allegations that he was a plagiarist. The article you posted has no bearing on this question; we don't care about Einstein's political allegiances.

Don't just paste the link to some article in answering me. Explain to us how Einstein did it, what exactly he plagiarised and show us some primary material proving without a doubt that sources before Einstein's landmark papers theorized the same things that he did. You speak with such great conviction that I know for a fact that you are retaining a vast, accumulated mass of information on this question.

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What the f*ck are you talking about?

Nevermind. Your brain is just so far gone at this point that you can't answer a simple question.

mellie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2010 at 9:34am:





So einstein declined schrodingers invitation to be acknowledged as "co-author" so schrodinger gets all the credit and that makes einstein "conceited self promoting and untrustworthy"?


How do you figure that?

Congratulations to those who will ignore medical and scientific fact in favour of a fairytale.

Vanessa wrote on Oct 21^st, 2010 at 1:36pm:


Or more rightly so those who will impose/distort and totally leave behinde the politics.

What forum am i in again?

Here is a question:
How heavily does the catholic church and its saints influence our political system?

beware wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 9:06am:


Good on Mary.
I hope she answers all your prayers favourably.

Actually...the nun's habits were a 3 piece set....skirt, bodice and headpiece. Yes 3 definitly.

mellie wrote on Oct 18^th, 2010 at 8:18am:


Mellie, despite your denials.....it seems the only actual 'problem' you seem to have with Einstein is that he was Jewish......now why would that be, do you think??

beware wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:


Alternatively it could be viewed as a ridiculous PR stunt designed to take the heat off the catholic pedophile institution