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Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:06pm
 

There are a lot of inter-related socio-economic issues involved here...

Ironically, the main reason why we have current housing shortages is that: due to a raft of tax and Superannuation changes over the past decade, negatively-geared residential real estate is nowhere near as attractive as it used to be...

I suspect that some of these changes have had unintended consequences for housing supply - especially CGT on shares, high-end tax cuts and Superannuation rorts...

Real estate investment has disproportionately-high entry, holding and exit costs - some of which costs can be claimed up-front - but most of which must be amortised over many years...

With the high-end tax cuts so far this century, the geared amortisation of costs has become far less lucrative - especially when coupled with reduced CGT on share ownership, salary sacrificing and the 15% effective marginal tax rate of contributions to Superannuation...

In FY00, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax on all income over $50,000 at the marginal rate of 47%.

In FY10, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax at much lower rates - only 30% on income between $50,000 and $80,000 and only a 38% marginal rate on income between $80,000 and $100,000.

Not only, is the middle-high income individual paying much less tax on their other income, before any gearing, but any gearing is now far less lucrative...

So, compared to FY00 and despite the massive drop in tax payable in the first instance, someone earning $100,000 in FY10 who might potentially have $20,000 in claimable deductions against a residential property, might now percieve themselves to be 9% of $20,000 ($1,800 ) worse off annually - and this will influence their decision to incur the high entry costs of purchasing/constructing residential real estate.

Meanwhile, Superannuation Tax Concessions have created an effective marginal tax rate of only 15% for most high income earners - who could instead salary sacrifice into Superannuation and claim much larger tax concessions, without all the hassles of being a landlord...

On top of this, they now have the option of gearing on Shares - and the relative CGT disincentive has been removed...

It is high-time that our Federal Govt reviewed (and remedied) the most counter-productive impacts of these tax and Superannuation measures on the socio-economic fabric of this country - especially housing supply/demand and costs...

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They pay it because they have access to easy credit and usually own a dozen credit cards.


So they are paying the rent on a credit card? If so, then you can expect rents to suddenly stop dropping as they all get kicked out.

I know the US banks did some silly things, but who is going to lend a poor person money to pay rent? If they cannot afford rent, how will they pay you back?

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Governments want mass immigration but they don't want to spend money on infrastructure and services.


The government is not responsible for building houses.

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No it's not....Without the negative gearing tax breaks, anyone who owns a rental property would either lose the difference between rent and mortgage payments, or have to such a high rent to cover the mortgage payments that no one could afford to rent.....
Which would defeat the purpose of buying the rental property.....


So there would be fewer rental properties on the market - wouldn't that make rents go up?
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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:16pm
 

adelcrow wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:01pm:
Get rid of negative gearing and house prices will plummet..thus more young people will be able to afford to buy..
House prices went through the roof and first home buyers were pushed out of the market as soon as Howard bought back negative gearing.
Rents will go down because house prices will fall..and if they dont..to bad because people wont have to rent if they can afford to buy their own houses  Smiley



I'm not so sure that this proposal would have the impact you expect - considering that the benefits of negative gearing on real estate have diminished greatly over the past decade but the supply of housing has not kept up with demand and the cost of housing has increased...

Removing the gearing and/or CGT relief on Shares would probably have a more positive impact upon housing supply - as would removing the lucrative flat effective 15% marginal tax rate associated with salary sacrificing into Superannuation...

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Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:20pm
 
Australia is not Singapore or Honkers, we have more than enough room and resources to build houses and apartments for every man woman and child in this country.
For govts and the real estate industry to suggest that land is at a premium and that is what is pushing up prices is the con job of the century!
The only reason land is held back is....to artificially pump up prices to make more obscene profits for developers, state govts and the real estate industry!
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Reply #19 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:28pm
 
If govts were serious about the housing crises they would all get together and open up enough land surrounding capital cities and country towns in every state. Ban developers from buying and have a strict  1 block or apartment per person..
The only thing stopping them is that it will immediately put the breaks on the housing market and upset the developers.
We have enough land and resources so everyone in this country can have affordable housing..no one can deny that!
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No it's not....Without the negative gearing tax breaks, anyone who owns a rental property would either lose the difference between rent and mortgage payments, or have to such a high rent to cover the mortgage payments that no one could afford to rent.....
Which would defeat the purpose of buying the rental property.....


So there would be fewer rental properties on the market - wouldn't that make rents go up?



Yes, exactly.....removing negative gearing would make the housing market worse, not better....
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Reply #21 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:36pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:28pm:
If govts were serious about the housing crises they would all get together and open up enough land surrounding capital cities and country towns in every state. Ban developers from buying and have a strict  1 block or apartment per person..
The only thing stopping them is that it will immediately put the breaks on the housing market and upset the developers.
We have enough land and resources so everyone in this country can have affordable housing..no one can deny that!



And it would crash the building industry, reduce the profits the banks make on housing loans (which would reduce the tax the banks pay ) reduce the taxes ( Stamp Duty) that State Governments collect.........
And increase rents out of reach of all but CEO's and executives....

HELLO Recession.....
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Reply #22 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:51pm
 
Rubbish..the housing shortage is an artificial situation and has only been with us for a decade...
Before govts and developers realised they could make a small fortune by creating an artificial housing crises we did not have hundreds of yrs of continuous recession.
This artificial situation was created just over a decade ago to make mega profits for a select few and that is the only reason it exists.
We had plenty of land released all through the 1900's and it was hardly a century long recession.
I repeat..we do not live in Singapore...we have more than enough land surrounding our cities and towns to supply houses and apartments for every single one of us!
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Reply #23 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:08pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:51pm:
Rubbish..the housing shortage is an artificial situation and has only been with us for a decade...
Before govts and developers realised they could make a small fortune by creating an artificial housing crises we did not have hundreds of yrs of continuous recession.
This artificial situation was created just over a decade ago to make mega profits for a select few and that is the only reason it exists.
We had plenty of land released all through the 1900's and it was hardly a century long recession.
I repeat..we do not live in Singapore...we have more than enough land surrounding our cities and towns to supply houses and apartments for every single one of us!


Yes, and how do we pay for it???
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Equitist wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:06pm:
There are a lot of inter-related socio-economic issues involved here...

Ironically, the main reason why we have current housing shortages is that: due to a raft of tax and Superannuation changes over the past decade, negatively-geared residential real estate is nowhere near as attractive as it used to be...

I suspect that some of these changes have had unintended consequences for housing supply - especially CGT on shares, high-end tax cuts and Superannuation rorts...

Real estate investment has disproportionately-high entry, holding and exit costs - some of which costs can be claimed up-front - but most of which must be amortised over many years...

With the high-end tax cuts so far this century, the geared amortisation of costs has become far less lucrative - especially when coupled with reduced CGT on share ownership, salary sacrificing and the 15% effective marginal tax rate of contributions to Superannuation...

In FY00, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax on all income over $50,000 at the marginal rate of 47%.

In FY10, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax at much lower rates - only 30% on income between $50,000 and $80,000 and only a 38% marginal rate on income between $80,000 and $100,000.

Not only, is the middle-high income individual paying much less tax on their other income, before any gearing, but any gearing is now far less lucrative...

So, compared to FY00 and despite the massive drop in tax payable in the first instance, someone earning $100,000 in FY10 who might potentially have $20,000 in claimable deductions against a residential property, might now percieve themselves to be 9% of $20,000 ($1,800 ) worse off annually - and this will influence their decision to incur the high entry costs of purchasing/constructing residential real estate.

Meanwhile, Superannuation Tax Concessions have created an effective marginal tax rate of only 15% for most high income earners - who could instead salary sacrifice into Superannuation and claim much larger tax concessions, without all the hassles of being a landlord...

On top of this, they now have the option of gearing on Shares - and the relative CGT disincentive has been removed...

It is high-time that our Federal Govt reviewed (and remedied) the most counter-productive impacts of these tax and Superannuation measures on the socio-economic fabric of this country - especially housing supply/demand and costs...


It is not only the tax concessions for the upper income brackets, it is also the fixed minimum hourly rate that has been set too low. Successive govts have allowed business to pay less to their employers over the years, the savings of which have been directed towards profits which have grown over those self same years. People on average and middling incomes cannot survive on their own. They must have their income subsidised by welfare... Family Tax Benefit, Child Care Benefit, Child Care Fund, Immunization Allowance, Educational Allowance and for lower income earners you can add in primary benefits such as Parenting Payment Partnered and Single to that raft of wage subsidization listed above.

Business talks about profits for the shareholders and Govt sneakily talk about 'mum and dad investors' yet the bulk of all shares are held by that very small social cross section called the very rich.

Govt should not have to subsidize the full time worker. All their living needs and saving needs should be covered by their wage. The only way to achieve this is to increase the minimum wage significantly, decrease welfare wage subsidy and demand that business return their profits to a level that is respectable by increasing the wages of those who help those business to profit in the first place.... or tax all profit over a respectable level and redistribute that profit either directly into the hands on middling and lower income earners or into their communities so reducing or remove child care and educational costs etc... 

For small business who claim to be impacted by increases to the minimum wage, subsidies could be offered after first doing a feasibility study and audit on that business... no point subsidizing a business that is failing or not properly disclosing. And the tax office is already set up for this with the required number of staff for this.

A full time single wage should cover a persons rent/mortgage, utilities, food, self maintenance needs (based on female costs since they are more expensive), transport, entertainment and savings for that single person.
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Reply #25 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:19pm
 
Sappho wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Equitist wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:06pm:
There are a lot of inter-related socio-economic issues involved here...

Ironically, the main reason why we have current housing shortages is that: due to a raft of tax and Superannuation changes over the past decade, negatively-geared residential real estate is nowhere near as attractive as it used to be...

I suspect that some of these changes have had unintended consequences for housing supply - especially CGT on shares, high-end tax cuts and Superannuation rorts...

Real estate investment has disproportionately-high entry, holding and exit costs - some of which costs can be claimed up-front - but most of which must be amortised over many years...

With the high-end tax cuts so far this century, the geared amortisation of costs has become far less lucrative - especially when coupled with reduced CGT on share ownership, salary sacrificing and the 15% effective marginal tax rate of contributions to Superannuation...

In FY00, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax on all income over $50,000 at the marginal rate of 47%.

In FY10, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax at much lower rates - only 30% on income between $50,000 and $80,000 and only a 38% marginal rate on income between $80,000 and $100,000.

Not only, is the middle-high income individual paying much less tax on their other income, before any gearing, but any gearing is now far less lucrative...

So, compared to FY00 and despite the massive drop in tax payable in the first instance, someone earning $100,000 in FY10 who might potentially have $20,000 in claimable deductions against a residential property, might now percieve themselves to be 9% of $20,000 ($1,800 ) worse off annually - and this will influence their decision to incur the high entry costs of purchasing/constructing residential real estate.

Meanwhile, Superannuation Tax Concessions have created an effective marginal tax rate of only 15% for most high income earners - who could instead salary sacrifice into Superannuation and claim much larger tax concessions, without all the hassles of being a landlord...

On top of this, they now have the option of gearing on Shares - and the relative CGT disincentive has been removed...

It is high-time that our Federal Govt reviewed (and remedied) the most counter-productive impacts of these tax and Superannuation measures on the socio-economic fabric of this country - especially housing supply/demand and costs...


It is not only the tax concessions for the upper income brackets, it is also the fixed minimum hourly rate that has been set too low. Successive govts have allowed business to pay less to their employers over the years, the savings of which have been directed towards profits which have grown over those self same years. People on average and middling incomes cannot survive on their own. They must have their income subsidised by welfare... Family Tax Benefit, Child Care Benefit, Child Care Fund, Immunization Allowance, Educational Allowance and for lower income earners you can add in primary benefits such as Parenting Payment Partnered and Single to that raft of wage subsidization listed above.

Business talks about profits for the shareholders and Govt sneakily talk about 'mum and dad investors' yet the bulk of all shares are held by that very small social cross section called the very rich.

Govt should not have to subsidize the full time worker. All their living needs and saving needs should be covered by their wage. The only way to achieve this is to increase the minimum wage significantly, decrease welfare wage subsidy and demand that business return their profits to a level that is respectable by increasing the wages of those who help those business to profit in the first place.... or tax all profit over a respectable level and redistribute that profit either directly into the hands on middling and lower income earners or into their communities so reducing or remove child care and educational costs etc...  

For small business who claim to be impacted by increases to the minimum wage, subsidies could be offered after first doing a feasibility study and audit on that business... no point subsidizing a business that is failing or not properly disclosing. And the tax office is already set up for this with the required number of staff for this.

A full time single wage should cover a persons rent/mortgage, utilities, food, self maintenance needs (based on female costs since they are more expensive), transport, entertainment and savings for that single person.


It SHOULD......but it hasn't since the 90's.....
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Reply #26 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:15pm:
The government is not responsible for building houses.


It is a state Govt. responsibility Freediver to provide housing for low income earners. In Vic it is called The Department of Human Services - Housing and used to be called The Housing Commission.

As to the Federal Govt., they provide rent relief in the form of Rent Assistance.
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:19pm:
Sappho wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Equitist wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:06pm:
There are a lot of inter-related socio-economic issues involved here...

Ironically, the main reason why we have current housing shortages is that: due to a raft of tax and Superannuation changes over the past decade, negatively-geared residential real estate is nowhere near as attractive as it used to be...

I suspect that some of these changes have had unintended consequences for housing supply - especially CGT on shares, high-end tax cuts and Superannuation rorts...

Real estate investment has disproportionately-high entry, holding and exit costs - some of which costs can be claimed up-front - but most of which must be amortised over many years...

With the high-end tax cuts so far this century, the geared amortisation of costs has become far less lucrative - especially when coupled with reduced CGT on share ownership, salary sacrificing and the 15% effective marginal tax rate of contributions to Superannuation...

In FY00, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax on all income over $50,000 at the marginal rate of 47%.

In FY10, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax at much lower rates - only 30% on income between $50,000 and $80,000 and only a 38% marginal rate on income between $80,000 and $100,000.

Not only, is the middle-high income individual paying much less tax on their other income, before any gearing, but any gearing is now far less lucrative...

So, compared to FY00 and despite the massive drop in tax payable in the first instance, someone earning $100,000 in FY10 who might potentially have $20,000 in claimable deductions against a residential property, might now percieve themselves to be 9% of $20,000 ($1,800 ) worse off annually - and this will influence their decision to incur the high entry costs of purchasing/constructing residential real estate.

Meanwhile, Superannuation Tax Concessions have created an effective marginal tax rate of only 15% for most high income earners - who could instead salary sacrifice into Superannuation and claim much larger tax concessions, without all the hassles of being a landlord...

On top of this, they now have the option of gearing on Shares - and the relative CGT disincentive has been removed...

It is high-time that our Federal Govt reviewed (and remedied) the most counter-productive impacts of these tax and Superannuation measures on the socio-economic fabric of this country - especially housing supply/demand and costs...


It is not only the tax concessions for the upper income brackets, it is also the fixed minimum hourly rate that has been set too low. Successive govts have allowed business to pay less to their employers over the years, the savings of which have been directed towards profits which have grown over those self same years. People on average and middling incomes cannot survive on their own. They must have their income subsidised by welfare... Family Tax Benefit, Child Care Benefit, Child Care Fund, Immunization Allowance, Educational Allowance and for lower income earners you can add in primary benefits such as Parenting Payment Partnered and Single to that raft of wage subsidization listed above.

Business talks about profits for the shareholders and Govt sneakily talk about 'mum and dad investors' yet the bulk of all shares are held by that very small social cross section called the very rich.

Govt should not have to subsidize the full time worker. All their living needs and saving needs should be covered by their wage. The only way to achieve this is to increase the minimum wage significantly, decrease welfare wage subsidy and demand that business return their profits to a level that is respectable by increasing the wages of those who help those business to profit in the first place.... or tax all profit over a respectable level and redistribute that profit either directly into the hands on middling and lower income earners or into their communities so reducing or remove child care and educational costs etc...  

For small business who claim to be impacted by increases to the minimum wage, subsidies could be offered after first doing a feasibility study and audit on that business... no point subsidizing a business that is failing or not properly disclosing. And the tax office is already set up for this with the required number of staff for this.

A full time single wage should cover a persons rent/mortgage, utilities, food, self maintenance needs (based on female costs since they are more expensive), transport, entertainment and savings for that single person.


It SHOULD......but it hasn't since the 90's.....


Hmm.... I don't hear the left wing bitchin' 'bout it tho... do you? All I hear from them is... "We want more hand outs and we want it now." When they should be saying... "We want employers to pay employees a proper wage that will cover living costs. They take too much from us for their own profit which is too much profit."

My own union, the CPSU, spend their time back patting their amazingly small achievements and do so using union due to pay for it. I've raised this issue with them before at every single wage negotiation and all I get is silence.
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Reply #28 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:46pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:21pm:
No it's not....Without the negative gearing tax breaks, anyone who owns a rental property would either lose the difference between rent and mortgage payments, or have to such a high rent to cover the mortgage payments that no one could afford to rent.....
Which would defeat the purpose of buying the rental property.....

The tax system DOES favour first home buyers.....but what about all those people without the savings or income to pay a mortgage.....

Kids just leaving home, single parents with minimum wage jobs ( or trying to live on parenting payments until the child starts school), retired couples, disabled people etc.......where would they live????


Nonsense. If speculators are just buying existing property built 50 years ago then what good is that to the supply of rental joints ?

The first priority should be for people who want to own their own home for themselves. Speculators should not be given priority over first home owners.

Negative gearing should be abolished and if speculators don't like it then don't buy it !! It means more property available for genuine home owners which don't have to compete with greedy speculators in a greed fueled property bubble !!

What a sick society this is where the taxation system favours greedy speculators and hoarders which only serve to inflate the bubble. It really is sick Sad
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Reply #29 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 5:10pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:19pm:
Sappho wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:17pm:
Equitist wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:06pm:
There are a lot of inter-related socio-economic issues involved here...

Ironically, the main reason why we have current housing shortages is that: due to a raft of tax and Superannuation changes over the past decade, negatively-geared residential real estate is nowhere near as attractive as it used to be...

I suspect that some of these changes have had unintended consequences for housing supply - especially CGT on shares, high-end tax cuts and Superannuation rorts...

Real estate investment has disproportionately-high entry, holding and exit costs - some of which costs can be claimed up-front - but most of which must be amortised over many years...

With the high-end tax cuts so far this century, the geared amortisation of costs has become far less lucrative - especially when coupled with reduced CGT on share ownership, salary sacrificing and the 15% effective marginal tax rate of contributions to Superannuation...

In FY00, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax on all income over $50,000 at the marginal rate of 47%.

In FY10, an individual earning $100,000 pa paid tax at much lower rates - only 30% on income between $50,000 and $80,000 and only a 38% marginal rate on income between $80,000 and $100,000.

Not only, is the middle-high income individual paying much less tax on their other income, before any gearing, but any gearing is now far less lucrative...

So, compared to FY00 and despite the massive drop in tax payable in the first instance, someone earning $100,000 in FY10 who might potentially have $20,000 in claimable deductions against a residential property, might now percieve themselves to be 9% of $20,000 ($1,800 ) worse off annually - and this will influence their decision to incur the high entry costs of purchasing/constructing residential real estate.

Meanwhile, Superannuation Tax Concessions have created an effective marginal tax rate of only 15% for most high income earners - who could instead salary sacrifice into Superannuation and claim much larger tax concessions, without all the hassles of being a landlord...

On top of this, they now have the option of gearing on Shares - and the relative CGT disincentive has been removed...

It is high-time that our Federal Govt reviewed (and remedied) the most counter-productive impacts of these tax and Superannuation measures on the socio-economic fabric of this country - especially housing supply/demand and costs...


It is not only the tax concessions for the upper income brackets, it is also the fixed minimum hourly rate that has been set too low. Successive govts have allowed business to pay less to their employers over the years, the savings of which have been directed towards profits which have grown over those self same years. People on average and middling incomes cannot survive on their own. They must have their income subsidised by welfare... Family Tax Benefit, Child Care Benefit, Child Care Fund, Immunization Allowance, Educational Allowance and for lower income earners you can add in primary benefits such as Parenting Payment Partnered and Single to that raft of wage subsidization listed above.

Business talks about profits for the shareholders and Govt sneakily talk about 'mum and dad investors' yet the bulk of all shares are held by that very small social cross section called the very rich.

Govt should not have to subsidize the full time worker. All their living needs and saving needs should be covered by their wage. The only way to achieve this is to increase the minimum wage significantly, decrease welfare wage subsidy and demand that business return their profits to a level that is respectable by increasing the wages of those who help those business to profit in the first place.... or tax all profit over a respectable level and redistribute that profit either directly into the hands on middling and lower income earners or into their communities so reducing or remove child care and educational costs etc... 

For small business who claim to be impacted by increases to the minimum wage, subsidies could be offered after first doing a feasibility study and audit on that business... no point subsidizing a business that is failing or not properly disclosing. And the tax office is already set up for this with the required number of staff for this.

A full time single wage should cover a persons rent/mortgage, utilities, food, self maintenance needs (based on female costs since they are more expensive), transport, entertainment and savings for that single person.


It SHOULD......but it hasn't since the 90's.....



Agreed - I am glad that other people realise that the polarisation - of income, wealth, power and opportunity - is at the root of this and many other problems being faced today...

Which is why I was surprised, confused and disappointed to subsequently read this...

Sappho wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:28pm:
Hmm.... I don't hear the left wing bitchin' 'bout it tho... do you? All I hear from them is... "We want more hand outs and we want it now." When they should be saying... "We want employers to pay employees a proper wage that will cover living costs. They take too much from us for their own profit which is too much profit."



WTF!?
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Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
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