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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:24pm
 
labor is the one that could well get sacked here, by the Governor General.
These people put one foot wrong and they're gone.
Most people in this country don't want them there, that is the vote.
They are there on sufferance, so they don't want to get too arrogant.
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Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:31pm
 
Tone won’t be able to keep running out of his own pressers like he did during the election campaign, and the type of Leadership needed in the new Parliament will be his undoing.

Hockey — no way will he succeed Tone, performed very poorly, depressed I reckon
Robb — Mr Mogadon, did carry the campaign but made a colossal ballsup of the costings, a charisma free zone (like Crean was.) Clinically depressed, even more now.

Chris Pyne for leader late 2011?
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Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:48pm
 
there's a big difference between speculating and knowing what you're talking about.
Turnbull may become liberal leader, but Abbott won't be "sacked", he's been very successful against labor, and the majority of people have voted for the coalition under his leadership.

I don't think you have much of an idea of how things work. In the real world. Labor is the party that sacks its own prime ministers, and then nearly loses government. Don't forget that will you. the person who sacked the labor prime minister is now the prime minister. Proud of that are you?
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Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:13am
 
The ALP`s pathetic performance in the recent election can, for the most part, be put down to their own incompetence, and Tony Abbott`s excellent performance.
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Reply #19 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:26am
 
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I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further

LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be.
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Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am
 
athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".



I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.

I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:02am
 

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.

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The MORE I read and research the more one sees it isnt Abbott thats bring his party into significance. He has Mining magnates  behind him . Those whom have invested interests . Powerful Investment interest. They  have  brought down anyone that stood for the ETS and now The Mining Tax..both policies that doesn't suit the mining sector for starters. They influenece the Murdock press because of the friendship of the elite in the 'right spot'.

I can not understand  anyone NOT question  this at least as One concern ?
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Reply #22 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:03am
 
mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am:
athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".



I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.


I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  Grin Grin Grin



I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere.
What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS.
Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs.
If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority.
Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election.
It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion.
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Re: So when Abbot is going to be sacked?
Reply #23 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:49am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:03am:
mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am:
athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".



I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.


I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  Grin Grin Grin



I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere.
What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS.
Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs.
If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority.
Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election.
It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion.


What you seem to be missing Smithy is it was Abbotts decision to not back the ETS which lead to the ALP's massive landslide in the polls.

Had Turnbull still been leader and given Rudd his ETS, he would be a second term PM with a 20 seat majority in the house easily.

Not backing the ETS was the turning point for the Coalition.
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Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:52am
 
skippy. wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:26am:
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I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further

LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be.


Mate, the ALP hold 72 seats and the Libs 73.

Abbott took 12 seats from the ALP.  Id say he did his job splenditly.
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Reply #25 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:52am
 
culldav wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:20pm:
The "mad-monk" had his chance, but it wasn't to be. I give him 12 - 18 months, before he is replaced up a fresh face.

I would say Julie Bishop has more to worry about, because the only thing she is good for is being abbotts parrot ans spewing venom at any opportunity.  Vile woman.


Ha, ha, ha, This really a good one.

You mean Failed Jesuit Monk.
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Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:59am
 
mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am:
athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".



I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.

I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  Grin Grin Grin


I don't know but Mr. Turnbull looks much more decent man, even I would say a nobleman, in comparison with Jesuit crusader Tony Abbot and his Middle Eastern gunman Joe Hockey.
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Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:05am
 
Verge wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:49am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:03am:
mozzaok wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:27am:
athos wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
Tonny Abot failed. So when a looser Abbot is going to be replaced with more decent man Mr. Malcolm Turnbull.
I've heard many people were telling me: "If Mr. Turnbull was opposition leader I would vote for him".



I also heard similar sentiments expressed Athos, so on that basis it is easy to say that IF Turnbull had been leader, that would have got them across the line.

I think that is a naive and simplistic argument to make though, because it ignores the fact that it was Abbott, and not Turnbull, who totally reversed the coalitions slide into insignificance.
Under Turnbull, they were considered as electorally without hope, and Abbott campaigned doggedly, and determinedly, and with an unswerving focus on the mismanagement message, he very nearly won the election, so Abbott deserves due credit for achieving that result.


I agree with most, that unless there is an election in the near future, then Tony Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election, and he will be replaced with a more moderate, popular leader, if they have any sense.

The thing is that the Libs have a terrible record in regard to choosing leaders, and usually pass over the best men for the job, in favour of people who are less worthy, so if they do that again we may even see Kwissy Pyne as leader, now wouldn't that be fun?  Grin Grin Grin



I've heard that sprouted alot around here & elsewhere.
What it fails to take into account is that Kevin Rudd was still flying high in the polls & pushing for an ETS.
Tony didn't reverse the coalitions fortunes to the extent his supporters here like to trumpet, Labor screwed theirs.
If Turnbull had of become leader either after Labor decided the ETS was too hard or Rudd was knifed he would have won with at least a 10 seat majority.
Kudos to Mitchin & Co for having the foresight to risk putting Turnbull as leader when they did so to rob him of the chance of winning an election.
It was a extraordinary Machiavelian play to run with but it worked thanks to 1 sick MP.Anyone checked her bank account, or perhaps we should watch this space for the plum promotion.


What you seem to be missing Smithy is it was Abbotts decision to not back the ETS which lead to the ALP's massive landslide in the polls.

Had Turnbull still been leader and given Rudd his ETS, he would be a second term PM with a 20 seat majority in the house easily.

Not backing the ETS was the turning point for the Coalition.


Yep totally agree with you verge, what you have missed or I haven't made clear enough was the play by Mitchen etc.
They let Turnbull lead when he did, then staged a coup, killing 3 birds with 1 stone(Rudd/Turnbull/ETS).
It will go down as one of the ballsiest plays in Australian political history,
so many things could have gone wrong:
Turnbull could have won the spill(hence my reference to the 1 absent MP)
Rudd could have called a DD
The Greens could have had a last minute change of heart & backed the ETS.
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Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:16am
 
Verge wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 9:52am:
skippy. wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 8:26am:
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I think he should stay long enough to destroy the ALP even further

LOL lol lol Yea Abbott destroyed the ALP sooooooooooooooooo bad that the ALP are now the government and Abbott is now the opposition leader, LOL lol lol, you Lib loners crack me up, please keep it up, I love reading your dummy spits, what a bunch of poor sportsman you lot would be.


Mate, the ALP hold 72 seats and the Libs 73.

Abbott took 12 seats from the ALP.  Id say he did his job splenditly.


Maybe Kevin Rudd did it.
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Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 10:21am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:48pm:

Turnbull may become liberal leader, but Abbott won't be "sacked", he's been very successful against labor, and the majority of people have voted for the coalition under his leadership.


Of course Abbott won't be sacked. He has done an excellent job since taking over the leadership, but he may very well stand down of his own volition.

To be leader of a major party - you have to give 100% of yourself and Abbott has a lot of other interests that he might just prefer to devote his time to.

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