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Just one more and the libs are sunk
Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:30pm
 
Labor has edged closer to forming the next federal government, with Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie backing Julia Gillard as the next prime minister.

The Denison MP, who negotiated separately to the other three independents, declared on Thursday that Labor had won him over with promises to tackle problem gambling and to boost hospitals.

Labor now has 74 members on its side, after Australian Greens MP Adam Bandt signed up on Wednesday.

To form minority government, the ALP needs two of the three other independents who are yet to make up their minds.

In Labor's favour is the fact that at least one independent, Tony Windsor, has reservations about trusting the coalition after holes were found in its election promise costings.

Mr Wilkie won $100 million and possibly more to rebuild the Royal Hobart Hospital and a commitment to force the states to introduce a uniform smart-card system on poker machines if they won't volunteer.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had agreed to gaming reform but hadn't detailed his promise, and had gone further on the hospital, offering $1 billion.

But Mr Wilkie said he had more confidence in Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and urged the other independents to get on board.  ....




http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/election2010/7955307/wilkie-gives-labor-the-...
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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:34pm
 
I'm sure they require 76 seats to rule, this and a speaker.

So, that would be 3 more, yes?


Cool Furthermore, Wilkie has openly stated his dissatisfaction with Labors mining tax agreement, between 3 leading mining companies, and would like to see this reformed.

Despite this, the twice failed ex-Greens candidate has pledged his support for Labor regardless.



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I'm sure they require 76 seats to rule, this and a speaker.

So, that would be 3 more, yes?



No. Just two more. The role of speaker is taken by one of those 76 members of parliament.
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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:52pm:
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I'm sure they require 76 seats to rule, this and a speaker.

So, that would be 3 more, yes?



No. Just two more. The role of speaker is taken by one of those 76 members of parliament.



Yes and the role of Speaker removes THAT member from the count...
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Yes and the role of Speaker removes THAT member from the count...


Not when the numbers are equal, then they are able to vote.
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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:28pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:24pm:
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Yes and the role of Speaker removes THAT member from the count...


Not when the numbers are equal, then they are able to vote.



Only in the event of a tied vote....
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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:29pm
 
Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story.

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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:31pm
 
Froim http://www.aph.gov.au/house/info/infosheets/is03.pdf

"Infosheet - The Speaker"


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The Speaker supervises rather than participates in proceedings. He or she does not normally take part in debate and does not vote in the House except in the event of numbers being equal, in which case the Speaker has a casting vote.
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Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story


No. They need two more.

74 + 2 = 76 including the speaker so let's call that 75.

The coalition will still only have 74.

75 is a larger number than 74.

And I believe the definition of majority is " The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total".

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mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:29pm:
Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story.

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Liberals need 3 the Independents and a Speaker where are they going to get 4 from?
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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:39pm
 
Both sides of politics are facing the problem that even with the support of three independents they would just have a bare majority in the 150-seat House of Representatives of 76 and would still have to find a Speaker.

End of story.

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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:45pm
 
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:39pm:
Both sides of politics are facing the problem that even with the support of three independents they would just have a bare majority in the 150-seat House of Representatives of 76 and would still have to find a Speaker.

End of story.

Cool


Don't you think that it's a good idea that labor is talking to a "disaffected Liberal" about been a Speaker.

Who do you think it will be mellie?
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:52pm
 
John S wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:37pm:
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:29pm:
Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story.

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Liberals need 3 the Independents and a Speaker where are they going to get 4 from?


The same place Labor will get three from....

Tongue... Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor say they want the weekend to think about which party they will back.

So forget knowing until Monday.

Cool Even if Labor manage to swing the above three in their favour, these independents electorates may feel very differently, this and would question why it is their primary votes weren't taken into consideration.

3 king makers -vrs- 3 deal breakers!!



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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:58pm
 
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:52pm:
John S wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:37pm:
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:29pm:
Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story.

Cool



Liberals need 3 the Independents and a Speaker where are they going to get 4 from?


The same place Labor will get three from....

Tongue... Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor say they want the weekend to think about which party they will back.

So forget knowing until Monday.

Cool Even if Labor manage to swing the above three in their favour, these independents electorates may feel very differently, this and would question why it is their primary votes weren't taken into consideration.

3 king makers -vrs- 3 deal breakers!!






labor only needs 2 independents and a disaffected Liberal speaker.

Who is the disaffected liberal mellie? Have you any ideas? i think it might be Turnbull.
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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:00pm
 
John S wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:58pm:
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:52pm:
John S wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:37pm:
mellie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:29pm:
Labor need 2 more independents and a speaker, of which means 3.

End of story.

Cool



Liberals need 3 the Independents and a Speaker where are they going to get 4 from?


The same place Labor will get three from....

Tongue... Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor say they want the weekend to think about which party they will back.

So forget knowing until Monday.

Cool Even if Labor manage to swing the above three in their favour, these independents electorates may feel very differently, this and would question why it is their primary votes weren't taken into consideration.

3 king makers -vrs- 3 deal breakers!!






labor only needs 2 independents and a disaffected Liberal speaker.

Who is the disaffected liberal mellie? Have you any ideas? i think it might be Turnbull.


Dunno why, but I'm finding it difficult to picture Malcolm Talksbull as the Speaker...


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