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a hung parliament and changing governments
Aug 23rd, 2010 at 8:30pm
 
If you thought it was bad to get a new PM without an election, it turns out you can get a whole new government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_parliament

Hung parliaments are rare at the federal level in Australia, as a virtual two-party system, in which the Australian Labor Party competes against an alliance of conservative parties, has existed with only brief interruptions since the early 20th century. Prior to 1910, no party had a majority in the House of Representatives as there were two non-Labor parties; the government changed a number of times because of this. Since 1910, when the two-party system was cemented, there has been only one hung parliament, in 1940. The incumbent Prime Minister, Robert Menzies, secured the support of the two independent MPs and continued to govern, but during the parliamentary term the independents switched their support to Labor, bringing John Curtin to power.



In countries used to decisive election outcomes, a hung parliament is often viewed as an unfavourable outcome, leading to relatively weak and unstable government. A period of uncertainty after the election is common, as major party leaders negotiate with independents and minor parties to establish a working majority.

An aspiring head of government may seek to build a coalition government; in Westminster systems, this typically involves agreement on a joint legislative programme and a number of ministerial posts going to the minor coalition partners, in return for a stable majority. Alternatively, a minority government may be formed, establishing confidence and supply agreements in return for policy concessions agreed in advance, or relying on case by case support.



In the Western Australian state election of 2008 the Australian Labor Party won more seats than the Liberal Party at 28 to 24. The National Party along with three independents had the seats needed to give either party a majority. To help the Liberal Party form government, the Nationals supported the party on the condition that the Royalties for Regions policy was implemented.

In the 1999 Victorian state election, the Labor Party won 42 seats, while the incumbent Liberal National Coalition retained 43, with 3 seats falling to independents. The Labor Party formed a minority government with the 3 independents.

The 2010 Tasmanian state election resulted in a hung parliament. After a period of negotiation, the incumbent Labor government led by David Bartlett was recommissioned, but containing the Leader of the Tasmanian Greens, Nick McKim, as a minister, and the Greens' Cassy O'Connor as Cabinet Secretary.

In the 2010 Federal election, neither Labor nor the Liberal coalition appear likely to secure a majority of seats required to form a Government in their own right. If this is the case, the sitting Prime Minister from the incumbent party, Julia Gillard, will remain Prime Minister (by convention, in a caretaker role) until the outcome of the election results become final and the Governor-General can invite a majority group to form the next government.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2010

In a total of 150 seats, 76 seats form a majority.
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Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
Yes, yes.... I know all that....

but what about the GG who in conjunction with the freemasons and the lizard people, rules that Billy Bathgate (aka "The Man With No Name") is in fact our new ruler but he's nothing but a puppet for the communist sleeper cell installed by the Chinese in 1955?

I've sent an email to the Queen about this.

....and my Aunty Betty.
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Reply #2 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 9:26pm
 
"Since 1910, when the two-party system was cemented, there has been only one hung parliament, in 1940."

That's right, and now there are umpteen minor parties and we cannot get a government together. Duhhhh!
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Reply #3 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 10:15pm
 
We are still waiting for the votes to be counted.
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Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.
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Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:06am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am:
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.


Whatever the outcome, and who ever forms Government...this result should be a wake up call to the Labor party....

Hopefully Julia Gillard and the others will pay attention to the voice of the people....
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Reply #6 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:31am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:06am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am:
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.


Whatever the outcome, and who ever forms Government...this result should be a wake up call to the Labor party....

Hopefully Julia Gillard and the others will pay attention to the voice of the people....


I wouldn`t hold my breath, at least the damage by the ALP might be halted, or severely hampered now.
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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:37am
 

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:06am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am:
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.


Whatever the outcome, and who ever forms Government...this result should be a wake up call to the Labor party....

Hopefully Julia Gillard and the others will pay attention to the voice of the people....


Oh dear!

The electorate has sent a powerful message to the LibLabs that: we want the nation of Australia to become egalitarian and sustainable, and; that we want our pollies to be mature, responsible, fair, inclusive, progressive, constructive and co-operative!

Judging by the post-election comments - by dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo et al - it would seem that Conservatives haven't really been listening and/or been very slow on the uptake of the message of the broader electorate...

For starters, the nation's success or failure has zip to do with who feels entitled to Govern - and it definitely does not revolve around whether or not Tony Abbott deserves to win because he ran a manic and divisive marathon campaign...

Similarly, it is not about gender politics - nor do many people really care overly much, about how any given political leader gets toppled...

FFS, the election is about the collective needs and aspirations of the electorate, not the born-to-rule Liberal Party - and certainly not about any individual Pollie/s...

I reiterate: this is not about the LibLabs - it is about the electorate!

Alas! Not that I expect many of you right whingers to get this...

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Reply #8 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:47am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:37am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:06am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am:
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.


Whatever the outcome, and who ever forms Government...this result should be a wake up call to the Labor party....

Hopefully Julia Gillard and the others will pay attention to the voice of the people....


Oh dear!

The electorate has sent a powerful message to the LibLabs that: we want the nation of Australia to become egalitarian and sustainable, and; that we want our pollies to be mature, responsible, fair, inclusive, progressive, constructive and co-operative!

Judging by the post-election comments - by dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo et al - it would seem that Conservatives haven't really been listening and/or been very slow on the uptake of the message of the broader electorate...

For starters, the nation's success or failure has zip to do with who feels entitled to Govern - and it definitely does not revolve around whether or not Tony Abbott deserves to win because he ran a manic and divisive marathon campaign...

Similarly, it is not about gender politics - nor do many people really care overly much, about how any given political leader gets toppled...

FFS, the election is about the collective needs and aspirations of the electorate, not the born-to-rule Liberal Party - and certainly not about any individual Pollie/s...

I reiterate: this is not about the LibLabs - it is about the electorate!

Alas! Not that I expect many of you right whingers to get this...

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Reply #9 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:22am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:37am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:06am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 8:58am:
Although Abbott and the Coalition have performed exceptionally well over the past 12 months or more, this election result is a damning indictment on the very poor performance of the ALP.

I for one, cant` imagine how the ALP could have handled themselves worse in government than they did.  Apart from hijacking a few planes and crashing them into Parliament House, or God forbid, a brewery or two, they could not have better shown their contempt for this country.

It is unclear if the assassination of Rudd was an astute political move, or an egotistical blunder. On one hand, the feminine sexist vote was a clear advantage, while the lack of common decency was a definite handicap, hard call. Either way, prior to this federal election, Australia was a country on the skids, we might have a chance now.


Whatever the outcome, and who ever forms Government...this result should be a wake up call to the Labor party....

Hopefully Julia Gillard and the others will pay attention to the voice of the people....


Oh dear!

The electorate has sent a powerful message to the LibLabs that: we want the nation of Australia to become egalitarian and sustainable, and; that we want our pollies to be mature, responsible, fair, inclusive, progressive, constructive and co-operative!

Judging by the post-election comments - by dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo et al - it would seem that Conservatives haven't really been listening and/or been very slow on the uptake of the message of the broader electorate...

For starters, the nation's success or failure has zip to do with who feels entitled to Govern - and it definitely does not revolve around whether or not Tony Abbott deserves to win because he ran a manic and divisive marathon campaign...

Similarly, it is not about gender politics - nor do many people really care overly much, about how any given political leader gets toppled...

FFS, the election is about the collective needs and aspirations of the electorate, not the born-to-rule Liberal Party - and certainly not about any individual Pollie/s...

I reiterate: this is not about the LibLabs - it is about the electorate!

Alas! Not that I expect many of you right whingers to get this...

Wink


HAhaha....."dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo"?????Dogmatist???

A first time liberal voter is a dogmatist now????

And the 'hint' from the Electorate was firmly aimed at Labor....

Think about for a sec.......in the 2007 election, Labor had a 5.4%+ swing......
2 yrs & 9months later Labor has a 2.04%- swing......That's a change of 7.48%....And most of it has happened in the last 5 months...

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:22am:
HAhaha....."dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo"?????Dogmatist???

A first time liberal voter is a dogmatist now????

And the 'hint' from the Electorate was firmly aimed at Labor....

Think about for a sec.......in the 2007 election, Labor had a 5.4%+ swing......
2 yrs & 9months later Labor has a 2.04%- swing......That's a change of 7.48%
....And most of it has happened in the last 5 months...



Hey Gizmo, hahaha, you wanna check your maths and get back to us - ta!?
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Reply #11 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:41am
 
Its so obvios now that Australian Politics, much like a lot of other Political Industries around the world, finds it hard to work as a 'TEAM'.
Thats right. Seems Australian Political Parties can't work together for the betterment of this country and its people. The idea of only one party having POWER is the only idea they have.
We and I say WE THE PEOPLE, voted and the Political Industry here in Australia must learn to adapt, even if this means moving away from the UK & USA systems and into new territory.
The fact that the Voting process is MANDATORY, ie "everyone has voted", proves that the PEOPLE have spoken and done what has been expected of them.
Labor & Liberal have to come to terms with the fact that , "hey, life ain't mean't to be easy".

Damn me if I'm gonna have another weekend taken away from me for another MANDATORY Vote. Every dog has its day and the Political Industry has just had its.
If Australia is FORCED to vote AGAIN (and again...and again), I can only see even more votes for the Greens and the Independents - so whats the problem!?
Labor & Liberal MUST get on with each other and the Greens and the Independents ...there doesn't have to be 'ONE' to ensure EMPOWERMENT of Governance.
Maybe though, this is the failing of Federal Governance in comparison to the State level, or even Provincial, or even local Council ???

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Reply #12 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:51am
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:34am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:22am:
HAhaha....."dogmatists like Abbott, AF2R, Gizmo"?????Dogmatist???

A first time liberal voter is a dogmatist now????

And the 'hint' from the Electorate was firmly aimed at Labor....

Think about for a sec.......in the 2007 election, Labor had a 5.4%+ swing......
2 yrs & 9months later Labor has a 2.04%- swing......That's a change of 7.48%
....And most of it has happened in the last 5 months...



Hey Gizmo, hahaha, you wanna check your maths and get back to us - ta!?


Sure, and I'll make it easy for you.....from +5.44% down to zero is a change of ......5.44%..

From zero down to -2.04 is a change of ......2.04%

   5.44%+
   2.04%
= 7.48%

see, it's easy isn't it????
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Reply #13 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:55am
 
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......That's a change of 7.48%


Ummmmm.... I don't think so.
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Reply #14 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
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Sure, and I'll make it easy for you.....from +5.44% down to zero is a change of ......5.44%..

From zero down to -2.04 is a change of ......2.04%

 5.44%+
 2.04%
= 7.48%

see, it's easy isn't it????


Ummmmm no.
A "swing" is the relative change in votes (in %) when compared to the previous election.

The 5.44% swing to Labor in 2007 was relative to the 2004 election.
The 2.04% swing against Labor in 2010 is relative to the 2007 election.
In both cases the previous election is the baseline (0%).

If you want to compare 2010 to 2004 then the result is still a +3.4% swing to Labor.
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