Australian Politics Forum - Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'

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Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'
Reply #15 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 3:09pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 12:40pm:

Except, of course, that Mohammed didn't write any of it. He didn't even dictate any of it. The Koran was written long after his death. It was dictated or written down by those who memorised what they heard from Mohammed or something they heard from a cousin/e who had heard it from Mohammed.
It was compiled by the third caliph. It is not in the order it was 'revealed' to Mohammed but in a completely arbitrary order, yet some muslims think it exists in heaven in its present form.

LOL and is the Christian Bible( New Testament) really any different??

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' Reply #16 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 5:50pm gizmo - yes. the NT does not want to impose a political system over your whole life.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' Reply #17 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 5:56pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 5:50pm: gizmo - yes. the NT does not want to impose a political system over your whole life. But it(the NT) was still written years after the death of the 'author'...
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' Reply #18 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 6:00pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 5:50pm: gizmo - yes. the NT does not want to impose a political system over your whole life. And actually..it DID impose a 'political system over our whole lives'......ok, so it doesn't anymore...but it used to
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Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'
Reply #19 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 6:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 3:09pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 12:40pm:

Except, of course, that Mohammed didn't write any of it. He didn't even dictate any of it. The Koran was written long after his death. It was dictated or written down by those who memorised what they heard from Mohammed or something they heard from a cousin/e who had heard it from Mohammed.
It was compiled by the third caliph. It is not in the order it was 'revealed' to Mohammed but in a completely arbitrary order, yet some muslims think it exists in heaven in its present form.

LOL and is the Christian Bible( New Testament) really any different??

In a very important respect, yes - it does not exist in heaven in an eternal unchanging form.

There are very important implications flowing from that, tyhe most important one is that man and god work together in both Judaism and Christianity. Allah, on the other hand, is an Eastern potentate in control of everything.
In other words, the jews and us have freedom. Mohamedans don't.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' Reply #20 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 9:08pm gizmo - that's NOT what Jesus wanted it to. in fact, quite the opposite. and virtually all secular democracies have grown from christian leaderships encouraging them.
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