Islamist leader Burhan Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'

http://www.news.com.au/national/islamist-leader-burhan-hanif-tells-aussie-muslims-told-to-shun-democracy/story-e6frfkvr-1225887784755

    * Australia a 'Godforsaken country' - group
    * Secular democracy is 'un-Islamic'
    * Islamic group's presence sparks protest

LEADERS of the global Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir have called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam and join the struggle for a transnational Islamic state.

British Hizb ut-Tahrir leader Burhan Hanif told participants at a conference in western Sydney yesterday that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.

"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif told about 500 participants attending the convention in Lidcombe.

"We should not be conned or succumb to the disingenuous and flawed narrative that the only way to engage politically is through the secular democratic process. It is prohibited and haram."

He said democracy was incompatible with Islam because the Koran insisted Allah was the sole lawmaker, and Muslim political involvement could not be based on "secular and erroneous concepts such as democracy and freedom".

His view was echoed by an Australian HT official, Wassim Dourehi, who told the conference Muslims should not support "any kafir (non-believer) political party", because humans have no right to make laws.

Mr Dourehi also urged Muslims to spurn the concept of moderate Islam promoted by governments in the West, including in "this godforsaken country" of Australia.

"We need to reject this new secular version of Islam," he said. "It is a perverted concoction of Western governments.

"It is a perversion that seeks to wipe away the political aspects of Islam and localise our concerns. We must reject it and challenge the proponents of this aberration of Islam."

The conference, which followed the theme The struggle for Islam in the West' was the first major event held by the Australian branch of HT since a seminar in 2007 which coincided with calls for the group to be banned.

HT is outlawed in much of the Middle East but operates legally in more than 40 countries, campaigning for the establishment of a caliphate or Islamic state.

HT's platform rejects the use of violence in its quest for an Islamic state, but supports the military destruction of Israel.

But the group's presence sparked angry protests outside as members of the Australian Protectionist Party (APP) yelled anti-Islam chants.

The APP met in a small park to express their need to "protect" the Australian way of life.

Conflict between the APP and HT amounted to an exchange of words, anti-Islam chants and the occasional drive-by of young Muslim men yelling obscenities from their car at the APP protesters.

One passer-by, a young Muslim man, yelled at the APP group: "You people have absolutely no idea", sparking a fiery exchange of accusations and finger-pointing.

Nick Folkes, the Sydney organiser for the APP, believes that the HT should be banned in Australia and thinks that practising sharia law should be illegal in Australia.

"Sharia law is an archaic legal system that treats woman as second-class citizens," he said.

"We're not asking them to change their skin colour or religion. But if they come here, they must reject sharia law."

I don't know how to find a transcript but I watched the video and felt like poking him in the eye.

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A lot of Shariah laws are man made and based on the interpretation of the Quran by scholars.

The whole thing is pretty stupid. I can understand a couple of Uthman Badar's points, but he has no idea how to present them in a way that doesn't make him come across as an extremist.

so annie the islamic apologetic,  Quote:


this is typical of lying muslims.
you are implying the scholars have misinterpereted it ?

what poo. those madmen have studied it for decades and generations.
that's what it smacking says.

chuck all those front bottoms out of aussie

that's ok to interrupt my mouth frothing

every islamic law comes from well educated muslims extracted from the koran.
i can see the DIRECT link from the koran and the laws . can you?
koranic experts can.

nice ploy to blame humans and not the koran. But the laws come from mohs invented flawed koran.
it's the korans doing.

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 7:11pm:


I think a God that does not allow humans to either learn or develop their own understanding of ethics and morality to be a shameful and ammoral God. Making laws by itself does not make you a moral person and nor does it automatically determine your worth as a person.

People should do their best to treat fellow human beings with dignity and not rely on laws to prescribe to them what is right and wrong. Laws can actually be a barrier to justice. They are just a system specifying acceptable behaviour. Anybody who breaks a law is merely acting against a system intended to guide a society toward the goal of justice. The breaking of a law is not in itself an injustice.

Human beings should be able to make laws because justice is not as simple as making laws. The goal of justice and morality requires that all members of a society be motivated toward that goal and to be alert and vigilant for obstacles toward that goal. An important question may be whether people are not being sensitive enough to the plight and misfortunes of others?

To say that humans cannot make laws is to introduce a destructive barrier to justice and morality, which is the goal of most laws that people make. That was, as far as I know, the goal of Jewish law. Laws should be suggestive in nature, not an ultimatum.

I will give more credit to a God that allows and respects the human ability to make laws for its own benefit than one who thinks that humans are too stupid to look after their own dignity and needs a God to dictate to them what is right and wrong.

My suggestion to this Islamic religious leader: get your thinking and reasoning right about the purpose of God's laws and the rights of humans to find their own path to justice and morality.

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 7:11pm:


Isn't Shariah the same thing for Muslims as halacha is for Jews? Well, I hope so anyway.

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Exactly. Thank you. I wasn't defending the man, more trying to point out the hypocrisy of his statement. But froth away, Sprint

Dear Mr Hanif,
Please stick to the main themes of Islam like 'The Land' and 'Mathematics' (although you just write about it, rather than actually practice it like the Africans do ...did ) and stay away from such things as Politics/Law.
Sure, a lot of Australians would shun a Democracy too in favour of, say ...WWW.COMmunism   

Except, of course, that Mohammed didn't write any of it. He didn't even dictate any of it. The Koran was written long after his death. It was dictated or written down by those who memorised what they heard from Mohammed or something they heard from a cousin/e who had heard it from Mohammed.
It was compiled by the third caliph. It is not in the order it was 'revealed' to Mohammed but in a completely arbitrary order, yet some muslims think it exists in heaven in its present form.