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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 12:48pm
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 12:50pm:
locutius wrote on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 12:33pm:
Happy to vote for Republic Australia...but not just for the sake of it. Haven't seen a model that is transparently better than the system we currently have or a model that hasn't been hijacked by the politicians left or right.

Until then, they can leave our current system alone.


I am with locutius on that.
Can not see we can afford it either.

if we do become a republic if and when Turnbull becomes PM (who is hell bent on us becoming one so he can hopefully be president) it will be a  banana republic because by then we wont own any thing after the libs finish selling off the rest of our assetts overseas and privatising everything else. Undecided Cry
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Reply #16 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 12:59pm
 
Keep the current system, but call the Governor General something else with exactly the same rights (bugger all). Cut all connections with the Monarchy if you like. They are irrelevant to Australia.

Don't fix something that ain't broke.
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Reply #17 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
muso wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 12:59pm:
Keep the current system, but call the Governor General something else with exactly the same rights (bugger all). Cut all connections with the Monarchy if you like. They are irrelevant to Australia.

Don't fix something that ain't broke.

I agree with this, I cant see that much needs to be changed, we can run the place very much the same as a republic.We could use the same political system the only difference would be the way in which the GG was appointed/elected, that is the question that needs to be sorted,first.
I'm a republican, but its not a big deal for me, in fact i'm not that certain that i'll see a republic in my life time.
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Reply #18 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:21pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:04pm:
muso wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 12:59pm:
Keep the current system, but call the Governor General something else with exactly the same rights (bugger all). Cut all connections with the Monarchy if you like. They are irrelevant to Australia.

Don't fix something that ain't broke.

I agree with this, I cant see that much needs to be changed, we can run the place very much the same as a republic.We could use the same political system the only difference would be the way in which the GG was appointed/elected, that is the question that needs to be sorted,first.
I'm a republican, but its not a big deal for me, in fact i'm not that certain that i'll see a republic in my life time.


We'll probably follow Canada's lead.

I would not like to see a Presidential system. Personally I'd favour a system such as the Swiss Federal State model. The current G'sG for each of the States and the Australia GG could form a presiding council - a final check and balance with no more power than the current GG. They could meet by Internet conferencing where necessary, staying in their own states.

We don't even have to call it a Republic. Design the system we want, and call it a Federal State or whatever.
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Reply #19 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:29pm
 
The only thing good about the Queen is that she can't be bribed
like so many other leading people in Australia.
I don't trust any politicians or big businessmen & they
are the types who would end up as Presidents as someone
else with huge power instead of her.

On the other hand - it's not really fair that someone should
govern us by birth right.
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Reply #20 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 1:29pm:
The only thing good about the Queen is that she can't be bribed
like so many other leading people in Australia.
I don't trust any politicians or big businessmen & they
are the types who would end up as Presidents as someone
else with huge power instead of her.

On the other hand - it's not really fair that someone should
govern us by birth right.


Do you reckon we should ask the Dalai Lama if he wants to be our president?  He has too much time on his hands these days.  Grin
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Reply #21 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 7:29pm
 
Quote:
Do you reckon we should ask the Dalai Lama if he wants to be our president?
He has too much time on his hands these days.  


Considering that Prince Charles talks to flowers the
Dalai Lama would probably be better.
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Reply #22 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 9:14pm
 
With the USA getting rid of the inferior Union Jack political expression (War of Independence,etc).
Australia holds onto the Union Jack political expression for dear life.
There are some Australians who are greatly influenced by the USA and desire a 'President' as a Head of (democratic) State ...Republic Huh and getting rid of the Union Jack political expression just like the USA did.
But with the UK being a USA colony in Europe ...anyway.
(I can see some Pommie ears steam right now and a lot of Europeans laughing, especially the Germans ...but in Europe, the winning formula is Medicine, not Politics and that's why the UK is suffering from taking '3rd world' Medical advice from the USA because they speak the same language ...in the name of Politics)

Hope I haven't lost any of you yet, with all this 'big picture' talk?

>>I can't reveal toooo much, but lets just say that there will be a Republic, but it won't be a totarian system.
There won't be a 'President' (more like a Chairman) as a Head of State (more like a Province).
The political power and expression will be with and via the People of the Australian Republic, and not via any 'Head of' anything in the name of Individualism. The Independents will emerge as a more poulace choice and Labor & Liberal will be the thing of the past.

Like I said, I can't say too much, because whispers of Civil War, tend to make things pretty ugly and you don't need me to start that one on this Forum, but let me assure you, it is highly likely, that something like that might happen well before any sense of a national Republic.

I hope this post both 'shakes' but not 'stirs' the issue.
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Reply #23 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 9:26pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 9:14pm:
>>I can't reveal toooo much, but lets just say that there will be a Republic, but it won't be a totarian system.
There won't be a 'President' (more like a Chairman) as a Head of State (more like a Province).
The political power and expression will be with and via the People of the Australian Republic, and not via any 'Head of' anything in the name of Individualism. The Independents will emerge as a more poulace choice and Labor & Liberal will be the thing of the past.

Like I said, I can't say too much, because whispers of Civil War, tend to make things pretty ugly and you don't need me to start that one on this Forum, but let me assure you, it is highly likely, that something like that might happen well before any sense of a national Republic.

I hope this post both 'shakes' but not 'stirs' the issue.
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Oh yeah - and Australia will invade New Zealand too. I saw it in a movie once.   Grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs
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Reply #24 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 9:43pm
 
Did I scare you that much Muso?
Sorry, just trying to help.

Three forms of Australian Politics...the UK influenced style, the USA influenced style and the Australian style that knows how to attain a good style with a blowdryer and makeup.

What am I saying here?
Well, those that rest upon the expatriated or foriegn UK/USA styles, forget that the reason the true Australian style of Politics is ....wait for it ....wait ...."SEX"  Shocked Grin  is because the Art Industry is on the brink of creating a 'Privatised' Australian nation, free from Politics beyond those two UK/USA 'visitors'.
So in the end, a Republic is just a moot system that represents the political Australia that is nothing more than the honourable 'family man'.

Am sorry, as much as I'm with you guys on Politics. I can't help but admit defeat in the face of the more powerful Art Industry. I'm not talking cliche traditional artforms like paint brush and Archibald prizes you see on TV, I'm talking state of the Art Computerised!

...and yes that includes WETA Workshop Wink
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Reply #25 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 10:40am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 11:49am:
One reason for establishing an Australian republic would be to shed the cultural infantilism that drives the obsession with a foreign monarchy.


The only people obsessed with the monarchy are the republicans.
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Reply #26 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 12:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 at 10:40am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 3rd, 2010 at 11:49am:
One reason for establishing an Australian republic would be to shed the cultural infantilism that drives the obsession with a foreign monarchy.


The only people obsessed with the monarchy are the republicans.

Were Monarchists not monarchists and not culturally infantile, there would be no question regarding removing the British Monarch as the Australian Head of State. Their cultural maturity would compel them to support even the simplest solution of establishing the Governor-General as President - i.e. the actual Head of State.
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Reply #27 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 2:22pm
 
It is not the monarchists that the republicans are up against. It is the republicans who want a workable solution before taking the leap. Most nominal monarchists in Australia are just reacting to the silly ideas coming from the republicans, rather than people who actually like the monarchy. What is infantile is expecting republicans to setlle for any old solution so long as it isn't a monarchy, as if this is some kind of tribal battle. We are talking about our democracy here -  not something to be taken lightly and modified without serious thought.
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Reply #28 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 at 2:22pm:
What is infantile is expecting republicans to setlle for any old solution so long as it isn't a monarchy, as if this is some kind of tribal battle. We are talking about our democracy here -  not something to be taken lightly and modified without serious thought.

Cultural infantilism masquerading as wise caution... Just an attempt by monarchists and crypto-monarchists to filibuster the republican debate by the smoke screen of false caution. Republicans don't lobby for a complex model (as opposed to a ceremonial President either directly elected,appointed by Parliament or "Sovereign Council").

"Any old solution"... A typical example of the exaggerated and vacuous rhetoric of a cultural child.


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Reply #29 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 3:32pm
 
It is not 'wise caution'. I am not saying we should take things slowly. I am saying that I am opposed to making any change until you come up with something better. There is nothing false or superficial about it. The lack of a better alternative is not some minor issue you can deal with along the way. It is a fundamental flaw in the republican movement.

Why don't you promote a better solution? The vaccuous rhetoric is coming from the republicans. It is people like you who focus on the the issue of whether the system is laballed a republic or monarchy, who try to label your opposition with silly slogans. All you have to do is come up with something that works better and it wouldn't matter whether it was republic or monarchy.
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