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Reply #135 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 4:59pm

Soren wrote on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

I think it's an Irish thing, this busting to be a republic. A servile detestation of all things British.

Dunno if its an exclusively Irish thing... I can't imagine Chinese/Italian/German/Greek/African/American immigrants necessarily see the point or the value in having a foreign head of state (some might even find an allegiance to the British/English Crown as repugnant). Many continental European peoples don't think much of the British as it is.

I wouldn't say a servile detestation of all things British defines the Irish psyche. More like its a refusal to submit to oppressors... That and an innate lack of fear of failure.

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Reply #137 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 9:25pm

The term republic is just a different label, why do we need any label?

about 80% of republics have been dictatorships, then there are the banana's.

The USA is the high profile republic, I would not like to emulate any of those options.

The most common argument from the pro republic group is that nothing would change - i.e. a claytons republic.

The republic you have when you don't have a republic?

Makes sense to me - not.

I am not a monarchist but can see no reason for either a useless pointless and potentially dangerous change or a pretence at change.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The Republic Of Australia Reply #138 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 10:09pm freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 9:06pm: So you are only an expert on the psych of those who oppose the 'repuiblic at any cost' stance? Dunno, but I reckon I might have nailed the guts of the Irish psyche, to at least (In the context of the British Crown) to the satisfaction of the Irish, I hope.
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Reply #139 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 6:19pm

I would only support Australia becoming a republic if we followed the United States model of a constitutional republic with a bill of rights that restrict the government. A republic based on limited government and individual rights would be really nice. But if the move towards a republic is going to spearheaded by Labor and the Greens who would want a more powerful government with more control over the market and little regard for individual freedom, then I would rather remain a commonwealth nation. We are basically independent anyway.

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Reply #140 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 6:27pm

why does it always have to be a United States republican model. They haven't exactly performed that well, have they. I don't want a U.S. style president in this country, they are beyond control.
Australia needs its own model, not some copy cat approach.
What we have at the moment, is a really good system that works, and we get incompetent governments kicked out by using the Crown, if it comes to that - and it has come to that, and will again.
No one wants to argue with the Crown, but plenty will want to argue with a President, especially as that person will be either one political persuasion or another and have allegiances that they have to maintain or repay.
The time for Australia to do something else will probably safer be when the British Crown is no longer there. I don't think they have a very far distant use-by date once the present monarch is not there.

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BobH Full Member Offline Posts: 174	Re: The Republic Of Australia Reply #141 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 6:30pm I think the original US republican model was great, and I think their troubles since then have come from a departure from that model and the constitution on which their republic was founded.
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Reply #142 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 6:50pm

I think Australians who always want a U.S. style republic actually are carried away by "all things American". Why can't you come up with something different and creative. Australia invented the preferential voting system, now all we can think of having is a yank style republic.
Boooriiing.

and you're right...they have departed. Australia hasn't "departed".
Fix our existing constitution first, bring it up to date, why throw out the baby with the bathwater and buy into something that can be "departed from".
Be an Australian.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The Republic Of Australia Reply #143 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 8:59am BobH wrote on Jul 29^th, 2010 at 6:19pm: I would rather remain a commonwealth nation. We are basically independent anyway. Who is suggesting an Australian Republic would necessarily leave the Commonwealth?
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Reply #144 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:05pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 10:09pm:

Dunno, but I reckon I might have nailed the guts of the Irish psyche, to at least (In the context of the British Crown) to the satisfaction of the Irish, I hope.

"The Irish are the blacks of Europe, Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland, the Northnside Dubliners are the Blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud! "

(James Joyce, I think...)i

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Reply #145 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:09pm

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 10:09pm:

Dunno, but I reckon I might have nailed the guts of the Irish psyche, to at least (In the context of the British Crown) to the satisfaction of the Irish, I hope.

"The Irish are the blacks of Europe, Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland, the Northnside Dubliners are the Blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud! "

(James Joyce, I think...)

James Joyce? Really? I thought it was from the movie "The Commitments"

“Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.”

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Republic Of Australia Reply #146 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:15pm Got you, fair and square!!!
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The Republic Of Australia Reply #147 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:22pm Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 12:15pm: Got you, fair and square!!! Did you?
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Reply #148 - Aug 1^st, 2010 at 9:57pm

Britain is God`s unkempt back garden, she has cast her wild & productive seed throughout this planet & looks on her children with pride & fully realised expectation. Could any mother be more PROUD. The rashness of youth may well reject a loving parent, but old Brittania bows to her beloved spawn & must continually serve in faith forever.

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Reply #149 - Aug 1^st, 2010 at 10:10pm

Soren wrote on Aug 1^st, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Britain is God`s unkempt back garden, she has cast her wild & productive seed throughout this planet & looks on her children with pride & fully realised expectation. Could any mother be more PROUD. The rashness of youth may well reject a loving parent, but old Brittania bows to her beloved spawn & must continually serve in faith forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Ztac69HLE

Gees Soren... You're as bent as a spoon. Grin

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