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Will Humanity Starve To Death?
Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 11:57am

Many fruit, nut, vegetable, legume, and seed crops depend on pollination ... pollination is achieved via the honey bee.

The Honey Bee is heading toward extinction due to human caused climate change.

Without honey bees, the world's food production collapses.

Are we heading towards starvation?

Is Climate Change the biggest issue facing Australia?

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #1 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:30pm I can not view this video but I hope others can. Some of the comments on this site are also interesting... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/silence-of-the-bees/introduction/38/ Silence of the Bees.
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Reply #2 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:35pm

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Many fruit, nut, vegetable, legume, and seed crops depend on pollination ... pollination is achieved via the honey bee.

The Honey Bee is heading toward extinction due to human caused climate change.

Without honey bees, the world's food production collapses.

Are we heading towards starvation?

Eventually, yes.

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Is Climate Change the biggest issue facing Australia

Yes again, besides the obvious that come to mind think about all the climate refugees we'll get here from the south pacific, we're in for it, and nobody seems to be doing anything about it.

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #3 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 3:15pm Yes once we have eaten the food of everything else and then eaten each other..(can highly recommend Soylent Purple) .....then yes, we are destined for starvation... I hope my children forgive me.
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Reply #4 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:15pm

Maybe not. If the industrial revolution comes to an end, and we embark on a more subsistence type existence where self sustained communities develop, we could save the planet from the forces of pollution.

We need a huge depression to take the western world back 100 years, give nature time to heal from the destruction of the last 30 or 40 years of excesses. I daresay, a lot of the damage cannot be mended, but maybe that is our only hope.

If we keep going down the same path, we must be heading for self extinction.

How do you change the mindset of people who that think it is their right to rape and pillage the earth for profit?

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:22pm

____ wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 11:57am:

Many fruit, nut, vegetable, legume, and seed crops depend on pollination ... pollination is achieved via the honey bee.

The Honey Bee is heading toward extinction due to human caused climate change.

Without honey bees, the world's food production collapses.

Are we heading towards starvation?

Is Climate Change the biggest issue facing Australia?

Umm NO.... pollination is quite possible by human means...

Human technology can replace 'honey-bee' pollination...so NO humans won't starve...

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Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:25pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:15pm:

Maybe not. If the industrial revolution comes to an end, and we embark on a more subsistence type existence where self sustained communities develop, we could save the planet from the forces of pollution.

We need a huge depression to take the western world back 100 years, give nature time to heal from the destruction of the last 30 or 40 years of excesses. I daresay, a lot of the damage cannot be mended, but maybe that is our only hope.

If we keep going down the same path, we must be heading for self extinction.

How do you change the mindset of people who that think it is their right to rape and pillage the earth for profit?

If the industrial revolution comes to an end...then the Greens movement will have fullfilled their purpose...

That is the whole purpose of the Greens/environmentalist movement...to shut down, or reverse, the Industrial Revolution....and take the human race back to pre-industrial levels....

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47433 At my desk.	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #7 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 6:55pm Quote: The Honey Bee is heading toward extinction due to human caused climate change. Can you explain the apparent contradiction between this and the large number of bees in the tropics? Also, are you familiar the experiment where cockroaches very quickly took over the role of bees in pollination?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #8 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 8:53pm The OP is a spammer for the Greens, and thinks the greens are the saviours of the world. While the greens policies will starve the poor because they insist on an ETS. Which the poor CANNOT afford. The OP believes that the poor will be compensated. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #9 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 8:57pm Woody is as bad for the Greens as Macca for the Libs, but does make more sense. But I wouldn't vote for either party. OR Labor. Independent, or no vote at all, me.
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Reply #10 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 9:10pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 5:15pm:

Maybe not. If the industrial revolution comes to an end, and we embark on a more subsistence type existence where self sustained communities develop, we could save the planet from the forces of pollution.

We need a huge depression to take the western world back 100 years, give nature time to heal from the destruction of the last 30 or 40 years of excesses. I daresay, a lot of the damage cannot be mended, but maybe that is our only hope.

If we keep going down the same path, we must be heading for self extinction.

How do you change the mindset of people who that think it is their right to rape and pillage the earth for profit?

And THAT IS the basic tenent of the Greens Party....Close down ALL industrial technology and go back to subsistence living....NO electricity, NO running water, NO medical supplies, NO advanced farming technology....

Rewind, or erase ALL human advances since the 1400......

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47433 At my desk.	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #11 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 9:16pm I think the Greens have come a long way and that certainly doesn't reflect the party any more. The last proposal I saw them put before parliament was superior from an economic perspective to the options being touted by Labor or Liberal.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #12 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 9:20pm Ok subsitute Environmentalists...for Greens party...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47433 At my desk.	Re: Will Humanity Starve To Death? Reply #13 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 9:24pm Same deal. Just about everyone is an environmentalist these days. How about you try saying that people who want us to live in caves want us to live in caves?
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Reply #14 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 6:44am

I think the Liberals, and to a lesser degree Labor are very poor guardians of the earth. They continue to support policies that are environmentally unsustainable for the long term, all in aid of chasing the almighty dollar.

The greens favour sustainability over the almighty dollar.

We cannot continue to use our natural resources at this rate forever, there will come a time, very, very soon, if not right now, that we we see a downward spiral.

I don't think the greens really expect us all to live in caves, they just want to trim our excessive use of finite resources and curb our hunger for overall greed.

Is the planet in better shape than it was 50 years ago?

We can't get back what we have taken, but we can delay any further harm and give the next generation a fair go.

We will be known throughout history as the generation of excesses.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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