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Re: Fat people
Reply #45 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 10:39am

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Ahm, amadd, it would be a good idea to tell people what's in a GI diet, you know, examples of what foods to buy. Otherwise people will go into a supermarket and ask the checkout chick where the low-GI aisle is.

I can't explain it in one sentence, but it is becoming more commonplace to display the GI on food labels. The checkout chick would point you in the right direction, I have no doubt at all about that.

To put it simply, just think of the regular diets of yesteryear (100 yrs ago) and then question the influx of refined foods such as: white flour and white sugar. These have the highest GI and they are added to a large proportion of modern foods.
They are very easily subsituted for other low, or even "no" GI products and they are very satisfying to eat.

For some specific examples: Subsitute white bread for burgen' soy and linseed, or other burgen' breads, or Tip Top 9 grain.
Use artificial sweeeteners if u need them, but pure honey is OK.
Whole oats, or wholegarin cereal for breakfast. All bran. Products that are harder to digest are preferable (more natural).
Less processed meats, no potatoes if possible, substitute for yams, or sweet potatoes.
Don't bother about low fat cheeses, eat any fat cheeses.
Milk, chockky milk etc. don't bother about low fat milks, prefer the full cream.

Do some exercise where u can, keep the metabolism going.
Have fun, take some drugs..(oh I didn't say that did I?) Have sex.

Keep off the refined sugars. It's easy to get to know high Gi foods that should be limited.

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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Fat people Reply #46 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 10:44am right. thanks. so it's stay off sugar, rip into a wholemeal cheese sanga, smoke dope and do a lot of rooting. Go the aussies - always with the practical, down to earth solutions.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Fat people Reply #47 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 11:02am That'll about do it. But some pretended wholemeal is not as advertised. Make sure it's really low GI. Other than that, you're good to go. Enjoy a weight controlled life of barbies, beer in limitatation (pretty much all alcohol is low GI) rooting. The chicks will love u.
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Fat people Reply #48 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 11:03am thanks, mate. What about that new root beer stuff eh. That should pull 'em eh.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Fat people Reply #49 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 11:11am I'd suggest to stick with beer root. Don't get sucked into the sugary stuff. You'll get your sugar.
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Fat people Reply #50 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 11:23am
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Re: Fat people
Reply #51 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 12:11pm

Amadd wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 9:19am:

You know what I hate? ("What do u hate Ammad?" I hear u apathetically answer).
I hate when fat people try to tell you that fat is attractive. Fat is right. Fat is just. Fat is sexy.

It's really annoying. Generally, fat is not right. Generally, fat is not natural. Fat is generally not sexy.

I've said it time and again. Forget the fad diets, they won't work in the long run. Look to a diet that you can enjoy. Look to low GI foods for greater control over your weight if that's what you want.

The calorie intake of low GI (glycemic index) foods may not be much different than that of high GI foods, but the proof in the pudding is that you will require far less calories, and you will consume far less calories in subsequent meals if you use the "easy discipline" method.
Low GI means "slow burning carbohydrates". High GI means "fast burning carbohydrates". It's really simple, but advertisers don't want you to see the simplicity, they want you to be fat and they want your money.

Look to the news reels of 60 years ago. They were mostly all thin and on low GI diets naturally, without any prompting from advertisers to eat unhealthy foods against their will.

Go low GI. You'll never take western life seriously ever again Grin

It's a buggerin' disgrace to Godists and to non-Godists!!
I have no frikin' idea how we could be so dumb as to allow this to happen.

Yeah - speaking from experience, I agree with much of what you say on diet, but the thing I found most helpful was exercise. A few years ago I was extremely fat, but I totally changed my lifestyle, mainly in response to my cholesterol level, and have maintained a BMI of less than 0.25 ever since then. I'm also fitter than I have been at any other time in my life, including my teens.

Imperium - What were you making? Sounds like some of the ingredients for a nice South Indian curry. I make a "jolly nice, please" fish curry with some of the ingredients you mention.

I start by popping the mustard seeds and cumin seeds with a little vegetable oil . Don't use ghee, it will burn. It provides a beautiful nutty flavour.

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Reply #52 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 2:21pm

Have just read through this thread...some interesting views.
First though, for the best way of eating..low GI as has been suggested is very much a part of it........just follow the exact same lifestyle and diet that is set out for diabetics. Perfect.
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I agree with those who say laziness is an issue. I'm astounded when I go past KFC or Mc D's, or any ofthose places, no matter what time of the day, there are people inside munching chips, hamburgers and downing cokes!
Again, with others observing the supermarket trollies...pizzas, sweets, frozen dinners, etc.
Supermarkets continue to expand the range of pre-prepared meals, whether cooked or raw.
Which reminds me of something where I'll digress on a slight tangent.
The 6.30pm current affairs Cheesy

programs seem to be obsessed with granting free advertising to the supermarkets with their so called comparisons .
Personally, I avoid the supermarkets, and buy fresh veg and meat and fish from the little neighbourhood shops, and try to get to Farmers' markets.
Everything fresh and top quality.
With freezers and all the kitchen aids around there's no excuse for people not to cook healthy appetising food.
I would have thought too, with the proliferation of cooking programs, there would be more interest in home cooking, but it doesn't seem so.

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Reply #53 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 12:08am

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Imperium - What were you making? Sounds like some of the ingredients for a nice South Indian curry. I make a "jolly nice, please" fish curry with some of the ingredients you mention.

Yeah, Muso; I saw the recipe in a cookbook at the library a few days before I made it and decided to get all the ingredients. I added ground cumin to popped black mustard seeds and then threw in about 400 grams of beans, a tin of tomatoes, a few fresh tomatoes, one onion and all the other spices. It was very nice, healthy and cheap. You can add any vegetable you like really, providing that you include the beans and tomatoes as they're the heart of the dish.

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Re: Fat people
Reply #54 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 1:17am

I can't speak for anybody else, because I think that I've always been around the mid-range of problematic wieght control.
Personally I have found that if you have to try too hard, then it ain't gonna work in long run.
It seemed to be so easy as a kid when I didn't care much for meal times because it interrupted my fun, even though I also enjoyed eating .
I agree with Muso that exercise is also a huge part of it, and most of us don't get the time to enjoy some good exercise. But if you're eating the wrong foods, I think that you will have very little desire for exercise.

Personally, I haven't even really tried to lose weight whilst acknowledging the GI indexes, but it's worked for me really well.
I could do better with some more exercise. I feel I can easily do more if I desire, but there's no real motivation atm. I have a reasonable weight and many of the other physical problems such as heart palpatations, blood pressure, etc. have gone by the wayside.

Getting older may also have something to do with it, but the advertised quick fixes seem more ridiculous by the day.
Fast food. fast love, fast exercise, fast money...it's a recipe for disaster.

In this world of fast everything, I'd definitely advertise a slower input of energy for greater wellbeing in the long run. Maybe t's juat a fad, but I don't see it that way at all.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95516 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Fat people Reply #55 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 1:58am There's no excuse for no fat chicks.
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Reply #56 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 6:51am

The obesity problem is a result of the excesses of the western world over the last 40 years. I hope we have a great big fat depression to bring us back from the brink. People will be forced to grow their own food out of necessity, instead of relying on the supermarket product which gives more unhealthy choice than healthy choice.

The aisles of softdrink, chips and lollies/chocolates etc. far outweigh the low fat foods which usually take up a quarter of an aisle.

Imagine how healthy we would be if we had limited use of electricity and fuel. The kids would have to walk to school or at least to the bus/train stop. They would be forced outdoors from sheer boredom instead of spending so much time with the tv and computer. They might even meet their friends face to face instead of on myspace.

I know most people wouldn't want to go back to the bad old days, but by having limits we were all healthier and happier.

Excess of anything is bad. Half the world are starving to death, the other half are eating themselves to death, amazing isn't it?

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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #57 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 9:27am

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 10:05am:

I'm amazed at the Aussie pizzas you get at some of the independent pizza shops - got absolutely everything on there, never mind if they don't go together - just shovel it on guys, pile it high. Very generous hearted, but for goodness sake, there is such a thing as complementing and balancing flavours! Anchovies, bacon, pineapple, avocado, heeeaps of cheese, a dozen other things, oh, and forget about that tomato sauce stuff, it just takes up room.
geeezuz!

Yeah, my favourite pizza from an independent shop was Banana and Bacon.....yum

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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finda1 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10	Re: Fat people Reply #58 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 12:05am Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2010 at 1:58am: There's no excuse for no fat chicks. wtf?
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Reply #59 - Jul 16^th, 2010 at 9:58am

that those of low socioeconomic status consume a lot of calorie dense foods because they are cheaper; it's ultimately not their fault.
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I haven't read all the messages so excusie if I repeat.

But my feelings on this is that I think it is their way of having 'false' luxury and happiness to have what is marketed as 'nice fun' food.

Many low incomers are living hard lives( and many are not well educated) and maybe they see this sadly as there own 'pleasure'.

Cry

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