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Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:57pm
 
Firstly, i don't think we are a 'part of' Asia.
Australia (due to be renamed once the Flag is changed...because we won't be 'south' of anyone else who are held above our own self worth) is the mainland 'island' you could say, of Oceania and of all the regions of the world, Oceania and Asia are geographically one of the most distant, in terms of relationship.
Its like saying Africa should be 'South Europe or South Middle-East'.
There are those that live by the term 'Australasia' to describe this part of the world, but in truth, this word really belongs to the Indo/Malay part of the world: South Asia.
If all things are equal, just like we try to treat everyone with equality, then the Australasia would make Asia become Borealasia ...but we know Asians prefer to just remain Asia, as they should.
The term Australasia (South Asia) is about as culturally true a description as the word Gaol in the Daily Telegragh ...except that they spell it 'Jail' (get my continental drift Wink)
As for Bali? Well there are a fair number of Australians who have an interest in Asia and Bali is a close enough taste of it.
Others tend to visit Mauritius, if they can afford it, while others visit Fiji and don't mind if the Military there have more power than Polititians (especially insecure Australian ones who label them as Dictators, because they would rather fight for Greenpeace, than for Political issues.). I myself visit New Zealand as often as I can because their Tourism Industry is the best in the world.
Some say I am wrong.
That Oceania is the region of the world that sweeps from the Silver Fern of New Zealand to the Silverado of Central America/Caribbean. I can see the 'cultural' connection and I always keep this in mind.
Maybe I percieve Australia (PNG) being a part of Oceania in 'difference' to those who see Australia as being part of Asia.
...maybe Australia (PNG) belong to a yet 'unnamed' 8th cultural region of the world somewhere 'near' Asia and Oceania ?
"Oh look everybody! Its the lost continent of Atlantis." Or as Issaac Asimov once wrote of those people that just don't breed as well as everyone else and harbour the act of 'isolationism' (current trend of Australians stating that 'we cannot support a population greater than 35 milion') ..."the Solarians".

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Reply #16 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:06pm
 
it doesn't take long to fly from any asian country to Australia. These days the region is pretty close, regardless of the distances involved.
My experience is that the vast majority of Europeans, because they live in pretty small countries by Australian standards, regard driving for more than 2 hours as horrendous. They regard coming to Australia akin to going to another planet. There just isn't the motivation in Europe any longer for masses of people to migrate to Australia.
Given that this place simply won't have a big enough population to sustain the growth this place will undergo in the future, where do you think people will come from to "staff" the place? England? Not likely, they actually don't want to come here in the sort of numbers that are needed.
What's the population of Asia again? Do a significant number of those people want to come here? I would say yes.
Australia is part of Asia geographically, and increasingly culturally.
I think that's actually pretty interesting. When you go overseas these days, especially to Europe, you feel like you're going to some old-fashioned country. Australia has an elegance today that it didn't really have even twenty years ago. I think it's got quite a bit to do with the influences from everywhere, and especially Asia.
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Reply #17 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:11pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:52pm:
it's very similar to what the story has always been here, I think.
The reasons why most people seem to want to live in Australia today, are the same reasons that people came here 200 years ago. In those days though you didn't really need a passport, they didn't have those sorts of things. Anyway, once they got here, they couldn't go back even if they wanted to.
The people who migrate, I think usually have a very difficult time because they are stepping out of their native culture into something completely different. Then they have the problems with their children who are born here, who might have very different ideas to their parents.  That is a very old story here, it isn't something that just happens today. Many people try to hold on to their culture, and many times their children born here find that irrelevant. It is difficult for them.


it's different to what the situation you said above now. you may realize that there are only a few japanese comparing to their population to other asia-pacific counties. it's because their nation has high quality of life and more important, that it is nearly for sure the quality can be kept for many years. but look at other asia-pacific countries. they become richer and richer, but not stable enough. people come here are not simply escaped from poverty or difficulties as before. really a lot of people come here for some kind of insurance. they travel several times per year back to home country, also send their children back to study. after got residency or passport, then going back to continue their own life. but as i said, those are only part of all, people has different backgound may think in different way. but the trend is changing in these years.
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Reply #18 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:15pm
 
thank you for your insight. that is interesting. Yes, what is possible today, was maybe not available to many people in past times.
Yes, I have noticed there never have been a lot of Japanese people migrating to Australia, some, but not many.
It is interesting people send their children back for education to the other country. Why do you think that is?
Do you think Australia is really part of Asia?
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Reply #19 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:23pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:57pm:
Firstly, i don't think we are a 'part of' Asia.
Australia (due to be renamed once the Flag is changed...because we won't be 'south' of anyone else who are held above our own self worth) is the mainland 'island' you could say, of Oceania and of all the regions of the world, Oceania and Asia are geographically one of the most distant, in terms of relationship.
Its like saying Africa should be 'South Europe or South Middle-East'.
There are those that live by the term 'Australasia' to describe this part of the world, but in truth, this word really belongs to the Indo/Malay part of the world: South Asia.
If all things are equal, just like we try to treat everyone with equality, then the Australasia would make Asia become Borealasia ...but we know Asians prefer to just remain Asia, as they should.
The term Australasia (South Asia) is about as culturally true a description as the word Gaol in the Daily Telegragh ...except that they spell it 'Jail' (get my continental drift Wink)
As for Bali? Well there are a fair number of Australians who have an interest in Asia and Bali is a close enough taste of it.
Others tend to visit Mauritius, if they can afford it, while others visit Fiji and don't mind if the Military there have more power than Polititians (especially insecure Australian ones who label them as Dictators, because they would rather fight for Greenpeace, than for Political issues.). I myself visit New Zealand as often as I can because their Tourism Industry is the best in the world.
Some say I am wrong.
That Oceania is the region of the world that sweeps from the Silver Fern of New Zealand to the Silverado of Central America/Caribbean. I can see the 'cultural' connection and I always keep this in mind.
Maybe I percieve Australia (PNG) being a part of Oceania in 'difference' to those who see Australia as being part of Asia.
...maybe Australia (PNG) belong to a yet 'unnamed' 8th cultural region of the world somewhere 'near' Asia and Oceania ?
"Oh look everybody! Its the lost continent of Atlantis." Or as Issaac Asimov once wrote of those people that just don't breed as well as everyone else and harbour the act of 'isolationism' (current trend of Australians stating that 'we cannot support a population greater than 35 milion') ..."the Solarians".

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from my understanding, australia is definitely an western country. no worries to this. i think the theory that australia is part of asia is only some politicians diplomatical strategy. question is do you still think you are colonial country or some sort of republic? do you still have much feeling with britain or the queen? to be honest, any thing about that old lady is the worst thing i don't like here.
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Reply #20 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:31pm
 
my feeling is that the vast majority of australians have no emotional link with England or the Queen. As time goes on, this is getting to be more the case. Australia is like a republic, but it still has the legal links to the Queen, but it does not play much part at all in people's minds. The only reason Australia is not a republic now is because when there was a vote on this some years ago, some people wanted the government to appoint the president, and other people wanted to vote directly for the president, like the Americans.
There is a strong legal aspect to having the Queen as head of state, and that is, if there is a really bad government, the Governor General of Australia, who represents the Queen, can dismiss the government so that an election can be called. This happened in 1975 to the labor government who were dismissed from government and then lost the election immediately after, and it happened in New South Wales in the 1930s, again the labor government which refused to repay government loans to the British, I think that was the situation, and the Governor kicked them out.
But the average person today doesn't have much knowledge about England or the Queen, don't really care much at all - as long as they can beat the English at cricket!
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Reply #21 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:32pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:15pm:
thank you for your insight. that is interesting. Yes, what is possible today, was maybe not available to many people in past times.
Yes, I have noticed there never have been a lot of Japanese people migrating to Australia, some, but not many.
It is interesting people send their children back for education to the other country. Why do you think that is?
Do you think Australia is really part of Asia?


i can not say to send child back for education is common case now. but a few do that. another interesting u can see here, if any public school provide multicultral education with 2nd or 3rd languages, that one will be very popular. lots of asian family will pay a lot to buy properties around this kind of schools.
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Reply #22 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:47pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
my feeling is that the vast majority of australians have no emotional link with England or the Queen. As time goes on, this is getting to be more the case. Australia is like a republic, but it still has the legal links to the Queen, but it does not play much part at all in people's minds. The only reason Australia is not a republic now is because when there was a vote on this some years ago, some people wanted the government to appoint the president, and other people wanted to vote directly for the president, like the Americans.
There is a strong legal aspect to having the Queen as head of state, and that is, if there is a really bad government, the Governor General of Australia, who represents the Queen, can dismiss the government so that an election can be called. This happened in 1975 to the labor government who were dismissed from government and then lost the election immediately after, and it happened in New South Wales in the 1930s, again the labor government which refused to repay government loans to the British, I think that was the situation, and the Governor kicked them out.
But the average person today doesn't have much knowledge about England or the Queen, don't really care much at all - as long as they can beat the English at cricket!


thanks for sharing these knowledge. i am quite interesting in history as well. but 1975 sounds like half century ago now. i personally think america's political system is better than the other. because the president get some more centralized power to deal with big and long term issues, it's important especially in this globalization era. look at japan, they change leaders every half year. how can they do anything big? only maintainece job.
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Reply #23 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 12:02am
 
to me, it seems like Japan has a parliamentary system now, but it does not have that history, whereas Australia has a British Parliamentary system. I'm not sure why it operates like that in Japan. To me, Japan has a history of a monarchy without the parliament, where Britain had a monarch with a parliament for many hundreds of years now, where the monarch does not have much power at all.
Still many labor voters in Australia today remember that the Governor General kicked out the labor government back then, but it is getting old now and younger people don't really know. But - the law is still there, and it can happen again. Many people want it to stay that way, just in case there is a bad government. President may not have that sort of power anyway, so some people want it to stay the way it is.
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