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Reply #45 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:08am
 
This is a slippery heritage-cum-religious slope, that some of you right whingers are launching headlong onto...

For starters, should we regard the next likely Lib leader, Joe Jockstrap (and other Libs) as any more Australian than our new PM, just because he was phyisically born here!?

Does this mean that he automatically rejects his parents' and grandparents' heritage!?

http://www.joehockey.com/meetjoe/default.aspx

His father was born in Bethlehem of Armenian and Palestinian parentage and his Mum in Chatswood.

What about his memberships to the following groups!?

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He is a member of the Parliamentary Friends of Armenia, China, Argentina, Chile and Cuba.

(Perhaps he's been working his way through the alphabet!?)

Should we be comforted that he was educated in the Catholic system!?

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St Aloysius' College in Milsons Point.


Oh, and did you Libs make a big deal about Malcolm T's Jewish allegiences!?

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Reply #46 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:50am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 10:40pm:
“Julia Gillard, first female and first overseas born person, became the new Australian Prime Minister.
The most important is to prevent former John Howard’s gunman Tony Abbot, failed catholic priest, to come to power and bring Australia back to dark ages of John Howard’s leadership.” Athos.

So you think you don’t have catholics in the labor party. LOL. Most catholics actually vote labor; and here’s you thinking that you have a nice Anglican labor party now because of Julia.
Smacks of English protestant bigotry to me. Back to the future.

Here you go, have a read about nice Mr. Emerson. Glad he’s on your side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Emerson


That’s what you’ve said. I simply stated the fact that Tony Abbot is failed Catholic priest. I couldn’t say Anglican because he is not an Anglican.
So if someone mentions word Catholic it doesn’t mean he is against Catholics or if somebody mentions Jews it doesn’t mean that person is anti-Semite.
As far as Tony Abbot is concerned, there are two undisputed facts:

-      Tony Abbot is failed Catholic priest

-      Tony Abbot gave up his Priesthood carrier because of a scandal that happened when he fathered his unmarried girlfriend. As a result of that he gave up his new born baby son to adoption and dumped his girlfriend. His son has never come forward to make contact with his father again.

Personally I think it would be the biggest disaster for Australia if Tony Abbot becomes a prime minister.


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Reply #47 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 12:31pm
 
athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:50am:
As far as Tony Abbot is concerned, there are two undisputed facts:

-      Tony Abbot is failed Catholic priest

-      Tony Abbot gave up his Priesthood carrier because of a scandal that happened when he fathered his unmarried girlfriend. As a result of that he gave up his new born baby son to adoption and dumped his girlfriend. His son has never come forward to make contact with his father again.




Athos, we have learned by now that whenever you say 'undisputed facts', you will assert some complete crap. You remain true to form, which is good to see. Keep it up, we need clowns in our lives.

Tone was born in 1957. He and the girfriend had the baby when he was 19 (1976), still at Sydney University.He then went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. No scandal. He entered the seminary in 1983. No scandal. Met his wife in 1987, when was 30 and decided that he liked her more than the cloth. They have had 3 daughters. No scandal.

Footnote: the girfriend revealed in 2005 that Tone was not the father, after all, and this was confirmed by DNA testing. He behaved with admirable dignity and humanity throughout that episode, widely acknowldeged by all sides, regardless of politics.

Alright, then Athos? Now put the nose and the shoes and the wig back on and let's see what else you can come up with to make us laugh.


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Reply #48 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 1:54pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:50am:
As far as Tony Abbot is concerned, there are two undisputed facts:

-      Tony Abbot is failed Catholic priest

-      Tony Abbot gave up his Priesthood carrier because of a scandal that happened when he fathered his unmarried girlfriend. As a result of that he gave up his new born baby son to adoption and dumped his girlfriend. His son has never come forward to make contact with his father again.




Athos, we have learned by now that whenever you say 'undisputed facts', you will assert some complete crap. You remain true to form, which is good to see. Keep it up, we need clowns in our lives.

Tone was born in 1957. He and the girfriend had the baby when he was 19 (1976), still at Sydney University.He then went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. No scandal. He entered the seminary in 1983. No scandal. Met his wife in 1987, when was 30 and decided that he liked her more than the cloth. They have had 3 daughters. No scandal.

Footnote: the girfriend revealed in 2005 that Tone was not the father, after all, and this was confirmed by DNA testing. He behaved with admirable dignity and humanity throughout that episode, widely acknowldeged by all sides, regardless of politics.

Alright, then Athos? Now put the nose and the shoes and the wig back on and let's see what else you can come up with to make us laugh.


Who are we? You mean Israeli citizens like you. People very well know that everything what you say is simply a propaganda disinformation.
By the way a little bit more modesty and less patronizing others also wouldn't be so bad for you.
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Reply #49 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 2:04pm
 
athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 1:54pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:50am:
As far as Tony Abbot is concerned, there are two undisputed facts:

-      Tony Abbot is failed Catholic priest

-      Tony Abbot gave up his Priesthood carrier because of a scandal that happened when he fathered his unmarried girlfriend. As a result of that he gave up his new born baby son to adoption and dumped his girlfriend. His son has never come forward to make contact with his father again.




Athos, we have learned by now that whenever you say 'undisputed facts', you will assert some complete crap. You remain true to form, which is good to see. Keep it up, we need clowns in our lives.

Tone was born in 1957. He and the girfriend had the baby when he was 19 (1976), still at Sydney University.He then went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. No scandal. He entered the seminary in 1983. No scandal. Met his wife in 1987, when was 30 and decided that he liked her more than the cloth. They have had 3 daughters. No scandal.

Footnote: the girfriend revealed in 2005 that Tone was not the father, after all, and this was confirmed by DNA testing. He behaved with admirable dignity and humanity throughout that episode, widely acknowldeged by all sides, regardless of politics.

Alright, then Athos? Now put the nose and the shoes and the wig back on and let's see what else you can come up with to make us laugh.


Who are we? You mean Israeli citizens like you. People very well know that everything what you say is simply a propaganda disinformation.
By the way a little bit more modesty and less patronizing others also wouldn't be so bad for you.



'We' is everyone other than 'you'. ANd yes, I know, I know, pointing out when you talk utter crap is joo propaganda. Of course. Well, that's the joo way - pointing out when clowns talk crap.

'Modesty and less patronising" - do you mean prefacing things with 'this is undisputed fact'? Is that the sign of a modest man? If you are grandstanding like when uttering nonsense, you deserve all the patronising.

BTW, convey my congrats to the other buffoons in the 'Italia' team.




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Reply #50 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 3:10pm
 
Jeimi: "Anglicans aren't Protestants. They're Catholics, but not Roman Catholics. :

LOL Anglicans are Catholics? Is that what the poms say?
Yeah, I can just imagine Oliver Cromwell saying that!
What a load.

So Julia is a Catholic labor politician now?
Is there any end to this labor b*sht
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Reply #51 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 3:47pm
 
Catholicism is determined by a belief in Apostolic Succession. While the Anglican church is heavily influenced by Protestantism, it is still a Catholic church.
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Reply #52 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 3:53pm
 
you've gotta be entertained by the labor anglican anglo aussies haven't you. Now they reckon they're catholics eh?
Gee whiz, I thought Henry VIII broke with the catholic church so he could get married a few more times.  Then he closed down and/or demolished most of the catholic monasteries in England (keeping the property of the churches for the English Crown of course.) Cromwell followed up a while later.
Anglicans are catholics are they? Wow, better tell the pope and the rest of the catholic world.
pommyaussie Labor propaganda, just love the entertainment value.
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Reply #53 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:50pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 3:10pm:
Jeimi: "Anglicans aren't Protestants. They're Catholics, but not Roman Catholics. :

LOL Anglicans are Catholics? Is that what the poms say?
Yeah, I can just imagine Oliver Cromwell saying that!
What a load.

So Julia is a Catholic labor politician now?
Is there any end to this labor b*sht


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There is more than one meaning for the word catholic.
In one such meaning, catholic means christian.
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Reply #54 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:56pm
 
catholic means universal, from the greek.
that's what the catholic church (you know, the one with the pope) called itself.
Anglican protestantism applies the word "Roman" to it for its own historic purposes. You know, after Henry VIII broke with the catholic church because he wanted to get married a few times, so he started a new church.
Saint Thomas More was a catholic wasn't he? Got executed in England I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic
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Reply #55 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:58pm
 
Julia Dullard's a catholic too then, is she? Gillard sorry.
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Reply #56 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:44pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:56pm:
catholic means universal, from the greek.
that's what the catholic church (you know, the one with the pope) called itself.
Anglican protestantism applies the word "Roman" to it for its own historic purposes. You know, after Henry VIII broke with the catholic church because he wanted to get married a few times, so he started a new church.
Saint Thomas More was a catholic wasn't he? Got executed in England I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic


It was Dr Martin Luthar that started that off.
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Reply #57 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:53pm
 
yeah, but they call themselves Lutherans, not Roman Lutherans.
Catholics (the ones with the pope) called themselves Catholics not Roman Catholics.
The anglican protestants want to call the continental catholics (and the english catholics) "Roman" for their own historic purposes.
anyway, catholics can't be monarchs of england, so are you sure you're on a winner with this?
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Reply #58 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:57pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:53pm:
yeah, but they call themselves Lutherans, not Roman Lutherans.
Catholics (the ones with the pope) called themselves Catholics not Roman Catholics.
The anglican protestants want to call the continental catholics (and the english catholics) "Roman" for their own historic purposes.
anyway, catholics can't be monarchs of england, so are you sure you're on a winner with this?


Yeah yeah, just like the Americans leave out most of the other Americans and stole the name.
Check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE&feature=related

+edit: sorry couldn't resist.
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Reply #59 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 7:02pm
 
the english don't steal things do they?
This is an english catholic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Festing

a real one.
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