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Reply #30 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:06pm
 
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6 hours to Sydney by train and 90 minutes to Sydney by plane....


90 minutes? Are you sure about that? What about security, early check in, the taxi to and from the CBD?

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The tracks are already there.....so they're sort of like roads.....


Both roads and tracks need maintenance.

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The running costs for a flight over the Wagga-Sydney run would be at least twice that a train would cost over the same trip..


Are you making the facts up as you go along, or do you actually know what it costs?
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Reply #31 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:06pm:
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6 hours to Sydney by train and 90 minutes to Sydney by plane....


90 minutes? Are you sure about that? What about security, early check in, the taxi to and from the CBD?

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The tracks are already there.....so they're sort of like roads.....


Both roads and tracks need maintenance.

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The running costs for a flight over the Wagga-Sydney run would be at least twice that a train would cost over the same trip..


Are you making the facts up as you go along, or do you actually know what it costs?



No I meant JUST 'flight time'.....security, check in etc isn't much more than 30-60 minutes......or wasn't, the last time I flew to Sydney....of course the 'security' back then was.."Are you a suicide bomber..Y/N???

Still, I'm sure the security/check-in is much the same for a train as it is for a plane......


No, I'm 'not' 100% sure on the costs.....but the pilots get paid almost twice what train drivers do...and the aviation fuel is a lot more than diesel, and I'm pretty sure the insurance is a whole lot more for a plane than it is for a train...After all if a wheel falls of a train,  you 'might' have a death...but most likely a few injuries......however if a wing falls of a plane, you have 40-50 deaths...you must admit, that would mean the insurance premiums are MUCH higher for a plane......
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Reply #32 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:29pm
 
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No, I'm 'not' 100% sure on the costs


Is this your way of saying you have no idea what the costs are?
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Reply #33 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:29pm:
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No, I'm 'not' 100% sure on the costs


Is this your way of saying you have no idea what the costs are?



No, it's my way of saying I haven't checked the 'actual' costs...but am applying logic instead of real numbers...

I can find the actual numbers if you like.....but commercial pilots get $101k a year (and a plane needs a pilot, a co-pilot and an engineer) a train driver gets $56k a a year and a train needs 1 driver....SO 1 train driver at $1090 per week as a against 3 people ( pilot, co-pilot and engineer) at an average of $1956 EACH per week....if all 3 three get the same pay rate....that's $5800 per week.....Pilots/aircrew can only do 1 trip per 24 hours....so train drivers and pilots get to do about the same number of runs per week.....4-5 trips in a 7 day period....Train drivers cost $1090 per week, pilot/co-pilot/engineer cost $5000+ per week...

Still works out( on logic) as a lot more for a flight than for a train yes???

I'll look for the real costings if you want.....but I seriously doubt  that a train trip will show up as cheaper than either a turbo=prop or jet plane trip....
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Reply #34 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:54pm
 
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but am applying logic instead of real numbers...


I see. Who needs the facts when you can use logic instead?
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Reply #35 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:54pm:
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but am applying logic instead of real numbers...


I see. Who needs the facts when you can use logic instead?



Yeah Logic provides a good approximation of 'facts'....

If 'logic' indicates that air travel costs 150% of the cost of rail travel.....do you 'really' need the $ and cents numbers??

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Reply #36 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:09pm
 
For example...
If a 'commerical pilots' licence requires a 12 month training course to get the qualification.....and a 'train-drivers' licence requires a 2 week training course to qualifiy...

Which do YOU think will get the higher wage????
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Reply #37 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:25pm
 
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If 'logic' indicates that air travel costs 150% of the cost of rail travel.....do you 'really' need the $ and cents numbers??


Yeah. Because your logic could just be wrong.
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Reply #38 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
What percentage of the fares do you think go to the pilot/driver?
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Reply #39 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:26pm:
What percentage of the fares do you think go to the pilot/driver?



In a usual 'business'..about 15-25%....i
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Reply #40 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:30pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
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If 'logic' indicates that air travel costs 150% of the cost of rail travel.....do you 'really' need the $ and cents numbers??


Yeah. Because your logic could just be wrong.

And do you 'really' think that idea that the over-heads, on an 'airline' would be less than a rail system????
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Reply #41 - Jun 27th, 2010 at 7:10pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:26pm:
What percentage of the fares do you think go to the pilot/driver?



In a usual 'business'..about 15-25%....


Is that your logic at work again, or is there some link to reality there?
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