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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39521 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #480 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:24am true, questioning islam is an offense !!!!!!!!!!! hhhahahahahaha,
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #481 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:29am it's not in Australia. Is it?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39521 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #482 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:51am nah, we give everyone poo .
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #483 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:09am and so, abu, do you like living in Australia, then?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39521 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #484 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:27am i can see you'll get banned from his "islam" forum ! daring to force him into an answer indeed !!!
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Reply #485 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 7:15pm

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I'm sure it exists in all societies, however I think it's much much lower in Muslim societies, due to the lack of alcohol, which seems to be a primary factor in domestic violence.

Abu, you are confusing correlation with causation. There are all sorts of situations that encourage or allow the mistreatment of women. The west has dealt with most of these. Alcoholism is just one of the few that remain. You are right to make the link in western societies, but wrong to equate the absence of alcohol (or the banning of it) with the absence of domestic violence. All of those other causes that the west has dealt with and are now labelled medievil, Islam is clinging to. Like the soggy miswak. Which is why you cannot bring yourself to explain to people here what its purpose is. Can you?

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The University Grants Commission does not prescribe any such dress code and even the university does not have a dress code. But the most unfortunate part is that students are forcing us to wear burqa,” Middya told The Indian Express.

Tip of the iceberg. At least she hasn't had acid thrown in her face. Yet.

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not only that, he seems to retreat very quickly when asked questions

Like what the purpose of the soggy miswak is.

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John S Gold Member Offline Fascist Party = Liberal Party Posts: 3691 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #486 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:25pm I went into Hungry Jacks the other day and, as I was ordering, two Muslim women walked in. I saw they had the most colourful garments from head-to-toe and I immediately thought to myself........ "The burqas are better at Hungry Jacks".
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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #487 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 2:31pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:14am:

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Who's Fred Niles?

If you don't know, then you need to become more informed.

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And if they were all walking around with boxes over their heads, that would be choice too?

If they wanted to do it, then yes. As I said, I've only ever come across cases of females being prevented from trying to wear niqab, never a single case of being forced to wear it. Again I ask, do you base any of these assertions of yours on actual first hand experience of niqab wearers? Or is it just based on mindless regurgitation of propaganda?

In fact, most of the niqab wearers I know of in Australia are Aussie ladies, who've converted to Islam. I hardly think anyone in their family is "forcing" them to wear it. You really need to re-evaluate this stuff you're saying, because it just doesn't mesh with the reality out there amongst the niqab-wearing sector of Australian society.

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One colour is a choice now?

Firstly I've seen niqab in other colours anyway,s but even if it were only black, that's their choice. The women who run the shops where niqabs are sold choose that colour, most likely based on the requests of their customers. It is market driven (In Australia at least), not driven by the decree of some "mullah" in a cave in Afghanistan, as you seem to think.

Even the formulation of this whole issue - banning the burqa - is back to front, as so many issues around muslims and modernity, muslims and the west.

The burqa is the issue only incidentally. Even Islam is only incidental. The heart of the matter is not a ban but its very opposite, a requirement. The requirement, an expectation to show your face, your identity, in public.

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #488 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 2:42pm

John S wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:25pm:

I went into Hungry Jacks the other day and, as I was ordering, two Muslim women walked in.

I saw they had the most colourful garments from head-to-toe and I immediately thought to myself........

"The burqas are better at Hungry Jacks".

Grin

Good one.

Now that I think of it, Burqa's could come in handy for some purposes.

Julia Gillard springs to mind.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #489 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 4:45pm muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 2:42pm: Julia Gillard springs to mind. The ALP branch deputy-secretary says...
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #490 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 5:06pm Yeah - it's hilarious. Obviously a spoof. I already posted that on another thread
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Ban the Burqa Reply #491 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 5:19pm muso wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 5:06pm: Yeah - it's hilarious. Obviously a spoof. I already posted that on another thread Me too...
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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #492 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 9:10pm

Apparently, the Lib and Nat 'leaders' are in disagreement on this...

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/truss-and-abbott-at-odds-on-bur...

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Truss and Abbott at odds on burqa ban

KARLIS SALNA

August 4, 2010 - 6:04PM

Nationals leader Warren Truss says women should be allowed to wear the burqa, disagreeing with coalition colleagues including Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

Mr Abbott on Wednesday appeared to back calls for a ban on the burqa, labelling the veil worn by Muslim women a "particularly confronting" piece of clothing.

The comments come ahead of an expected ruling by a Perth judge about whether a Muslim woman can wear a full burqa while giving evidence before a jury in a fraud case.

WA District Court Judge Shauna Deane is due to hear submissions on Thursday from lawyers for the prosecution and defence regarding the witness who wishes to wear the burqa.

The woman is a strict Muslim who does not want to show her face to men.

Mr Abbott on Wednesday joined the debate, saying the burqa should not be worn in Australia.

"I find the burqa a particularly confronting form of attire, and I would very much wish that fewer Australians would choose it," Mr Abbott told reporters when asked about the Perth case.

But Mr Truss, speaking at the National Press Club in Canberra, disagreed with his coalition leader, saying people should be able to wear whatever they like.

"Generally speaking, as a matter of principle, I believe people should be able to wear what they choose, so long as that does not in any way disadvantage the rights and privileges of other Australians," he said.

Earlier this month, Liberal senator Cory Bernardi called for Australia to follow the lead of France and ban the burqa, linking it to the "expansion of fundamentalist Islam".

"This is a system where women are considered as second-class citizens and homosexuals can be hanged," Senator Bernardi said.

"We need to stop the expansion of fundamentalist Islam in Australia lest we lose the foundation, the essence, the very culture of our great nation."

France's lower house voted overwhelmingly to ban the wearing of face-covering veils in public.

Similar laws are pending in Belgium, Spain and some Italian municipalities.

© 2010 AAP

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Re: Ban the Burqa
Reply #493 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 9:18pm

Hmmnnn....

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

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TONY Abbott says he would like to see fewer women in Australia wearing burqas.

Mr Abbott was responding to questions about a case in Perth where a Muslim woman wants to wear a burqa in a court witness box.

Mr Abbott, who is campaigning in Queensland in the marginal seat of Dickson, on Brisbane's northside, said he would not interfere in the court decision on whether the woman should be banned from wearing the veil in court.

But he said he wished fewer people wore burqas in general.

"I don't want to interfere in the operations of our legal system but I have said it before and let me say it again, I find the Burqa a particularly confronting form of attire," Mr Abbott said.

"I would very much wish that fewer Australians would choose it."

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/07/02/1225887/203919-burqa.jpg

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/burqas-are-confronting-and-i-wish-fe...

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Reply #494 - Aug 4^th, 2010 at 9:23pm

equit - you have highlighted a very good point of the libs there.

In the libs, it's ok to disagree.
it's expected that not everyone will have the same idea, they are expected to differ.
And they are invited to state their differences openly.

about the burquas, I hate them and think they should be banned. Abbott is a bit soft so far, but he does not like them.
truss is a softcock.
what do you think ?

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