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Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
Many of you say " Typical american so arrogant to think they know all the answers when their own country is screwed up." But the reason I am concerned is because I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia. I have seen on a larger and more relevant scale what harm a government can create. I mean you have to think 35 million people in the U.S. are on food stamps and dependent upon the government to eat. That is what 50% larger than all of Australia. There are murders and rapes everyday in every city and it is an afterthought in the U.S. I work and see everyday the filth of crime and a welfare state. The government has caused all these problems. Generations of families without fathers have created welfare states and no discipline where the the only rule that you live by is what can I get away with. The government's monetary policy of artificially low interest rates for way to long spurred malinvestment into real estate where wall street wrapped up by mortgages and sold them and their biggest buyer were Government sponsored enterprises and caused a credit bubble where we look at the symptoms but not the cause. Let me tell you our country has lost it!! We are done there will soon be social unrest when the welfare citizens checks don't buy anything because of hyperinflation. I have australian mining stocks and some OZ dollar because I think the fundamentals of your economy are much better. But I promise you I see everyday the riches of the american life to the debris of a welfare state where crime runneth over. Many of you know the standard of living in the USA is high but the quality of life (Crime, stress,) is not admired. Please liberate australia and create an environment where people are free to make their own decisions and run their own life and where personal responsibility is a family tradition. A county must control it's borders, language and culture. Your borders should only let workers you deem desirable, your language is english and your culture is self-reliance and rugged individualism.

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Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:29pm
 
You will discover that our welfare system is far more generous and widespread than yours. Did you know, for example, that welfare recipients in Australia are not required to repay the state for welfare legitimately received?

We are probably the most non-religious Western nation on earth and do not attribute all our social ills to solo-mothers.

We don't put our faith in the honour of a wunch of bankers and let them run our financial systems as they see fit.

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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:33pm
 
Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.


I am scratching my head trying to picture it...

Amusing slip. Smiley


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Soren wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:33pm:
Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.


I am scratching my head trying to picture it...

Amusing slip. Smiley

They've got, like, whole markets for that.
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But the reason I am concerned is because I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.


No thanks. Fix your own country. Start by understanding it - better than you understand ours at the very least.
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:42pm
 
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But the reason I am concerned is because I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.


We may not want you, if you haven't already worked it out most Aussies find yanks very insular,arrogant and not the best people for integration.

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There are murders and rapes everyday in every city and it is an afterthought in the U.S.


Same here, we blame American movies and computer games for it here.

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Please liberate australia and create an environment where people are free to make their own decisions and run their own life


We already do, and have for over 100 years, If you're so keen on moving here you should learn a bit about this country.
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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:54pm
 
skippy. wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:42pm:
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But the reason I am concerned is because I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.


We may not want you, if you haven't already worked it out most Aussies find yanks very insular,arrogant and not the best people for integration.




Nah, don't believe it.

We do like Americans, as long as they are not loud and in your face. But we don't like loud and in-yer-face Australians either.

I have a great couple of friends from Florida and Tennessee (now living in Texas). Really lovely, lovely people.

As for integration, Americans who made it to Australia are integrating just fine. The Premier of NSW is an AMerican. Australia is not that different from the States or England. It's got the best of both without their negative sides (we have our own home-grown faults).  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2010 at 3:34am
 
I'm not religious either but it is true. America is divided into people who live in a welfare state and people who don't. Let me tell you about a generous welfare system. If you are poor you get medicaid (free healthcare, you get free house electricity, food, education, cell phone, and now internet) You have no idea the fraud in the USA. Our government budget is almost 4 trillion, Australia's whole economy is what just over a trillion? The healthcare overhaul is an attempt to take over the health insurance industry and make health insurance free for people up to 85,000 US.  The govt can ration to bring down costs but can't run anything efficiently.

Can someone please tell me why Australians don't like american view points? Their are Australians and Indians and people from all over the world including the Middle East and their opinions are expressed freely and accepted and nobody in the usa would ever react like this? Is it anti american or is it anti anybody that's not australian? I've met some jerky australians should I conclude all australians or like this?
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Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 3:34am:
Can someone please tell me why Australians don't like american view points? Their are Australians and Indians and people from all over the world including the Middle East and their opinions are expressed freely and accepted and nobody in the usa would ever react like this? Is it anti american or is it anti anybody that's not australian? I've met some jerky australians should I conclude all australians or like this?



It's only the jerky ones who have never met an American. They think that there is some kudos in reflxive anti-americanism, that it makes them appear independent-minded. These types are also usually resentful towards Britain.
But the majority of Australians are friendly and smart. They will rib you for your accent though. But if you are like the open, generous and likable Americans I know, youd'd be fine.
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Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 3:34am:
I'm not religious either but it is true. America is divided into people who live in a welfare state and people who don't. Let me tell you about a generous welfare system. If you are poor you get medicaid (free healthcare, you get free house electricity, food, education, cell phone, and now internet) You have no idea the fraud in the USA. Our government budget is almost 4 trillion, Australia's whole economy is what just over a trillion? The healthcare overhaul is an attempt to take over the health insurance industry and make health insurance free for people up to 85,000 US.  The govt can ration to bring down costs but can't run anything efficiently.

Yep, well, as far as I know the jobless get (not sure about free) but heavily subsidised utilities and phone/internet (to assist with jon seeking) and almost free healthcare (the pay a couple of dollars for prescriptions and consultations). And they don't have to pay any of it back.

Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 3:34am:
Can someone please tell me why Australians don't like american view points? Their are Australians and Indians and people from all over the world including the Middle East and their opinions are expressed freely and accepted and nobody in the usa would ever react like this? Is it anti american or is it anti anybody that's not australian? I've met some jerky australians should I conclude all australians or like this?

Closer to the reason Canadians don't like Americans - rivalry. Secretly we Australians are in awe of Americans and all things American and we have emulated Americanism (or at least think we have) wherever we can (although our hubris encourages a sense of having perfected it). To us it still represents the great society - the greatest that ever existed - probably rivalled in the West only by Rome. Proof of that is seen in the importance we place in the visit of an American President - no head of state is received more warmly or with greater interest - these days even beating Elizabeth II. Our prime ministers prostrate themselves at their feet.

It's only fitting we challenge the citizens of the great society... Just to see if we can bring them down a peg or two... We've got a thing about tall poppies. They offend our innate sense of smallness in a big world.

Or it's some kind of pruning obsession.
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Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.

We don't need you. What makes you think we want you?

Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
I have seen on a larger and more relevant scale what harm a government can create.

Evidently most Australians do not pay much attention to such matters, but most who do already know that both our government are overdue for massive improvement.

Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
I work and see everyday the filth of crime and a welfare state. The government has caused all these problems. Generations of families without fathers have created welfare states and no discipline where the the only rule that you live by is what can I get away with.

We can see the same things on TV every day, although maybe it is sanitized a little. Why would we want migrants from such a place? Prove that you are able to fix those problems, and I will be one of the first to welcome you to do the same here.


Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
The government's monetary policy of artificially low interest rates for way to long spurred malinvestment ...

The problem is not so much low interest, as banks being allowed to create so much credit at virtually no cost, that has allowed your banks to remain obscenely profitable even whilst the rest of your economy is in crisis. If you and I were allowed to manufacture credit the way banks can, we too could be rich.  But present governments would lock us up if we tried!


Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
Let me tell you our country has lost it!!

That's been pretty obvious for a long time.  You are not even able to cancel your overgenerous aid contributions to Israel, no matter how outrageous its behaviour becomes!


Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
Please liberate australia and create an environment where people are free to make their own decisions and run their own life and where personal responsibility is a family tradition.

It would be nice if we could, but we are constrained by the same evil forces that control your corrupt government, so it will take something pretty clever to do it.


Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
A county must control it's borders, language and culture. Your borders should only let workers you deem desirable, your language is english and your culture is self-reliance and rugged individualism.

We already have unemployment here, so why should we want to import workers?  Our language and culture are continually under threat by the glut of TV, films, music, broadcasters, and purveyors of news from USA.  We really don't need your contribution to that!
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And to highlight the rapid Americanisation of Australian society, nearly 40 years ago Phillip Adams authored a report to the then Prime Minister John Gorton to encourage Federal support to revive the failing Australian film industry which began "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that it's time to hear our own voices, see our own landscapes and dream our own dreams.". Ironic in a number of ways, not the least of which was the thematic use of the great society's founding document to protest it's cultural dominance.

And Australia responded by gifting to the world... Bazza MacKenzie  Grin

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fawkes wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 9:27am:
Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia.

We don't need you. What makes you think we want you?

Speak for yourself. Anyway, I thought that it was you who wanted less government infringement on citizens' rights. Wouldn't you share a few of his positions then?

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The government's monetary policy of artificially low interest rates for way to long spurred malinvestment ...

The problem is not so much low interest, as banks being allowed to create so much credit at virtually no cost, that has allowed your banks to remain obscenely profitable even whilst the rest of your economy is in crisis. If you and I were allowed to manufacture credit the way banks can, we too could be rich.  But present governments would lock us up if we tried!


As a shareholder of CBA, I support their ability to remain obscenely profitable. Anyone can start a bank, so I don't understand what you're talking about. And what crisis? Australia's unemployment rate is 5.3%!
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 10:00am:
And to highlight the rapid Americanisation of Australian society, nearly 40 years ago Phillip Adams authored a report to the then Prime Minister John Gorton to encourage Federal support to revive the failing Australian film industry which began "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that it's time to hear our own voices, see our own landscapes and dream our own dreams.". Ironic in a number of ways, not the least of which was the thematic use of the great society's founding document to protest it's cultural dominance.

And Australia responded by gifting to the world... Bazza MacKenzie  Grin



The fruit of collaboration, of course, between those two great expatriate Australian cultural icons, Dame Edna and Sir Les who is also Australia's cultural attache at large.

Here is their straight brother Barry Humphries, with Clive James and Peter Cook together. The greats.

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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2010 at 10:15pm
 
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There are murders and rapes everyday in every city and it is an afterthought in the U.S. I work and see everyday the filth of crime and a welfare state. The government has caused all these problems.


I agree, though perhaps not entirely in the way that you believe so. Certain governments, two governments as a matter of fact, have indeed been responsible for most of the horrors that we see in the United States. The British Colonial government is the first; it was responsible for the arrival of the first indentured labourers into the United States and then the transformation of their legal status into slaves. Then, the United States government much later, was responsible for the importation of more slaves. Then it set them free and made them citizens; the opposite of what Abraham Lincoln himself wanted, which was to set them free and then return them to their lands of origin.

The welfare state alongside the idelogues of our time have been responsible for the cultivation and expansion of the African-American underclass. Though there was such an extant underclass before them, it was considerably more benign than what we see now. Combine this with the importation of millions of Hispanics, legally and illegally (made possible through non-action), and you have seen before you one of the root causes of the evisceration of the late, great cities of the United States; and their rendering in many respects as indistinguishable from parts of the third world.

You have seen the disasterous economic and social policies of your Banana Republic government pander to the chief Muftis of academia and big business with slavish and unwavering devotion. You have seen the permanent departure of the livelihoods of millions of men, black and white, or the rendering of these livelihoods as unviable, crippled under the weight of arbitrary and superfluous regulation or the depression of wages. You are ultimately an insider witless to the capitulation and disintergration of an empire -- the greatest in recent times and inheritor of the British Empire. I am just warning you that you may be seeking solace in a region where the same fate may also loom, just further off into the horizon.

Tread lightly here and don't expect too much. Paradise dawns on the entire Caucasian world.

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We may not want you, if you haven't already worked it out most Aussies find yanks very insular,arrogant and not the best people for integration.


So.. who do we find instead? The Lebanese?

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Same here, we blame American movies and computer games for it here.


And that is stupid.

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I didn't know that Kevvie had a prostate problem.
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kevvie IS a prostate problem
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skippy. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:12pm:
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I didn't know that Kevvie had a prostate problem.

Naughty, naughty... misquoting Wink

But since it's all in the interests of comedy, all good Grin.

I think we can say quite a few Australian Prime Ministers had a prost(r)ate problem. Menzies with Queenie ("I did but see her passing by..."). Now its US Presidents whom "they did but see passing by...".

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Reply #18 - Mar 22nd, 2010 at 1:19pm
 
lol, I had forgotten about menzies, now he was a queer bird wasn't he?
How must his wife have felt to have this silly old duffer creaming his strides every time he looked at the back of a coin.

And what about the poor old yanks, they are copping a flogging here, which I suppose is historically in keeping with our digger roots.
The WW2 expression about yanks was, "over paid, over sexed, and over here".

My uncle was in the middle east and on kokoda, and did not mind the yanks, but he used to laugh about all their medals.
He used to say if you were in the american army you could get a medal for spelling your name right. Grin

Which was actually harder than it sounds for many, another uncle who was in the navy used to make a bit of extra cash by writing letters for americans who could not read or write, as a great many, especially those from poorer rural areas, as significant numbers were, had never received the education that aussies took for granted.

But all in all, when you think about it, the yanks aren't too bad, sure a quarter of them are religious maniacs who think they will have jesus around for a coffee and a bit of rapture, and a half of them are not so very far removed from the poor soldiers of WW2 in the education stakes, but that still leaves many millions of the best and brightest people that this world of ours have ever seen.
Artists, musicians, scientists of fantastic talent abound, and flourish there, so before we sink the boot in too much, we should give credit where credit is due, and all those complaining about our current migration mix would surely not object to a few yanks being chucked into the mix.
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mozzaok wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 1:19pm:
lol, I had forgotten about menzies, now he was a queer bird wasn't he?
How must his wife have felt to have this silly old duffer creaming his strides every time he looked at the back of a coin.

I think Queenie herself wished he'd never said it. If you watch the footage, it's one of the very few times in her life that she has publicly flinched with embarrassment. I bet her arsehole goes tight every time she thinks of it even 50 years later.

mozzaok wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 1:19pm:
But all in all, when you think about it, the yanks aren't too bad, sure a quarter of them are religious maniacs who think they will have jesus around for a coffee and a bit of rapture, and a half of them are not so very far removed from the poor soldiers of WW2 in the education stakes, but that still leaves many millions of the best and brightest people that this world of ours have ever seen.
Artists, musicians, scientists of fantastic talent abound, and flourish there, so before we sink the boot in too much, we should give credit where credit is due, and all those complaining about our current migration mix would surely not object to a few yanks being chucked into the mix.

Yes my, now dead, family who fought in the Pacific (and the ones who returned) generally had nothing but good things to say about Yanks.
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Yeah, I've got no problems with the yanks. I heard a couple of tourists on the train the other day.

"Gee. These trains are run by the government. Not bad, eh?"

"Yeah. And look at all the hospitals. They're all run by the government too."

"Yeah? So they're socialists."

"Everyone's socialist. I mean, look at Europe."

"Right. Anyway, I hear these Three Sisters are something. They're rocks, right?"
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Americancitizen87 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm:
Many of you say " Typical american so arrogant to think they know all the answers when their own country is screwed up." But the reason I am concerned is because I and many other freedom loving americans may have to flea america to australia. I have seen on a larger and more relevant scale what harm a government can create. I mean you have to think 35 million people in the U.S. are on food stamps and dependent upon the government to eat. That is what 50% larger than all of Australia. There are murders and rapes everyday in every city and it is an afterthought in the U.S. I work and see everyday the filth of crime and a welfare state. The government has caused all these problems. Generations of families without fathers have created welfare states and no discipline where the the only rule that you live by is what can I get away with. The government's monetary policy of artificially low interest rates for way to long spurred malinvestment into real estate where wall street wrapped up by mortgages and sold them and their biggest buyer were Government sponsored enterprises and caused a credit bubble where we look at the symptoms but not the cause. Let me tell you our country has lost it!! We are done there will soon be social unrest when the welfare citizens checks don't buy anything because of hyperinflation. I have australian mining stocks and some OZ dollar because I think the fundamentals of your economy are much better. But I promise you I see everyday the riches of the american life to the debris of a welfare state where crime runneth over. Many of you know the standard of living in the USA is high but the quality of life (Crime, stress,) is not admired. Please liberate australia and create an environment where people are free to make their own decisions and run their own life and where personal responsibility is a family tradition. A county must control it's borders, language and culture. Your borders should only let workers you deem desirable, your language is english and your culture is self-reliance and rugged individualism.

Thank you AmericanCitizen


Australia's probably still the best country in the world, and we need good people here. I for one would love to see more Americans settling here.
Soren is right...there is just a certain section of the community, who in their immaturity, regardless of age, think it's cool to be anti-American.

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freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:35pm:
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No thanks. Fix your own country. Start by understanding it - better than you understand ours at the very least.


What? How stupid are you. I told you I am in the minority of ideology know or atleast soon will be. I would wipe the floor with your ass in anything. I am sick of your attitude you have no economic understanding and you can't think outside of your anti american rhetoric. Why don't you look at the things that have caused americans problems it's the things I'm preaching against.
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