freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:


I still demand it. You say that Islam promotes it, but then fail to show us how that is so.

I have shown you the opposite is true. Islam teaches men to treat women with kindness, gentleness and honour!

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It promotes it by legalising it and by compelling the wife to not only put up with it, but to willingly obey. Can I rely on you to see common sense, or do I need a precedent from the Koran?

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You see a contradiction there. Many Muslims do not. Abu can even explain for you how slapping a disobedient wife does not contradict those passages. It is only a problem if you do it every day out of habit while in a drunken stupor. Likewise, Falah was explaining earlier that a woman consents to sex when she marries (still not sure how this works for slaves). Why would she marry if she didn't want sex? These are the things that a Muslim man thinks while raping women.

Not this one. I can find it for you if you want, though it would be easier if Falah explained the concept for us here. I couldn't get him to elaborate on it at the time, and this is a good thread to bring it up again.

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:


Yes, I would like to see the Quranic verse legalising rape. Do you have it or are you just lying like usual?

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

The Quran does not say anything about "slapping". It mentions beating, but as a last resort for disloyalty or ill-conduct, and only after the husband has tried other methods such as verbal warning and leaving the marital bed.


The Quran says (interpretation of the meaning):

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Because the Muslims knew that they were not allowed to treat women harshly, one of Prophet Muhammed's companion's was asked about what the beating described in the verse meant.
He said that it meant hitting the wife with a twig that Arabs used to brush their teeth - hardly likely to cause injury or even discomfort.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth]

Al-Hasan al-Basri, an Islamic scholar who grew up with the companions of prophet Muhammed said: "this means that it should not cause pain."


The Prophet actually advised against beating women even though it was technically permitted, and he hinmself set an example by never hitting his wives:


Bahz Ibn Hakim reported that his grandfather said: "I went to the Apostle of God and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)

The prophet showed his disapproval of beating women:

Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported that the Prophet said: "Do not beat God's female servants, but when Umar came to the Apostle of God and said: Women have become rebellious towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of God complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of God said: Many women have gone to the wives of Muhammad complaining against their husbands; these men are not the best among you."


The Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.”
(at-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as an authentic hadeeth by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi)


“You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it (by God), even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.”
(al-Bukhari, 6352; Muslim, 1628)




It is only a problem if you do it every day out of habit while in a drunken stupor. Likewise, Falah was explaining earlier that a woman consents to sex when she marries (still not sure how this works for slaves). Why would she marry if she didn't want sex? These are the things that a Muslim man thinks while raping women. [/quote]

How Westerners Treat Women:

This is what the guardians of the people do (police) then what about ordinary Westerners?

falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

Isn't the argument about where, when, how often and who, in the marriage, gets to make those calls?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:07pm:


Of course.

falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:



And what happens when her needs are expresse thus:
'Not now, habibi. You have been a pig of a man and you do nothing around the house. No pussy until I feel like giving it''?

What does the village Muslim in Kandahar to do? Wash the dishes? Read a bedtime story to his daughter?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:


Not without warning her first.