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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 4:27pm
 

some comments remotely on topic would be appreciated
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Reply #16 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 4:30pm
 


Intimidatory  unspiritual ??


http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20091215/894/twl-saudi-arabia-to-flog-75-year-old-wom.html


Saudi Arabia to flog 75-year-old woman for flouting sex segregation rules

Riyadh (Saudi Arabia)/London, Dec.15 (ANI): Saudi Arabia is to flog a 75-year-old woman for breaching sex segregation rules, prompting human rights watchdog Amnesty International to appeal to the royal government in Riyadh to cancel a sentence of 40 lashes.

"The minister of interior (Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz) is reported to have ordered the immediate detention and flogging of a 75-year-old woman, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, along with two Saudi Arabian men known only as Fahad and Hadyan," the London-based watchdog was quoted by The Telegraph, as saying.

"The Saudi Arabian authorities must not carry out the imminent flogging and imprisonment of an elderly woman and two younger men," it added.

Amnesty said all avenues of appeal had now been exhausted in Saudi courts against the trio's March conviction for being in the company of members of the opposite sex who are not close relatives.

"It is abhorrent that an elderly woman is at risk of 40 lashes," said the deputy director of the watchdog's Middle East and North Africa Programme, Philip Luther.

Sawadi and Fahad were sentenced to 40 lashes and four months' imprisonment, and Hadyan to 60 lashes and six months' imprisonment, Amnesty said. Sawadi also faces deportation to her native Syria on completion of her prison term.

Saudi Arabia enforces a strict version of Islamic sharia law and imposes corporal punishment for a wide variety of offences. (ANI)
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Reply #17 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 7:21pm
 
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Sadly, the anecdote reflects the actual total spread of the data available. Blacks indeed are far, far more likely to commit rape (among many other crimes) in the United States than whites


Wouldn't University attendance cut out a lot of the confounding factors in that statistic?

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you have to piece it together yourself, or read one of the myriad reports by other parties that have actually done so.


So it relies on your interpretation of statistics? Can you explain your assumptions?

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If I presented you with the data, would you just instantly retort that I was making it up?


It depends on whether you included references or not.

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Essentially, there is little to nothing I can do to convince you.


So, you claim to have official government statistics to back up your case, but you also claim to be unable to convince anyone with them?
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Reply #18 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:05pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 1:32pm:
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Bullshit. You know this is bullshit.


Can you provide one example of a blanket generalisation like the one above that is productive and accurate?.


If you have an army made up of pacifists, you are buggered.

Will that do? Or -

Cross the road when the lights are red - you'll be dead before the week is out.


Prejudice is based on experience.  Smart people learn from experience. It is called judgemnt. You'd be mad to go againt your better judgements. We do recognise pattern, us 'uman beans.

Only a fool denies the lessons of her experience.






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Reply #19 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
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If you have an army made up of pacifists, you are buggered


I guess I should have made it clear that I was asking for realistic examples.

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Prejudice is based on experience.  Smart people learn from experience.


Prejudice stems more often from ignorance than experience.
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Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:23pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:13pm:
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If you have an army made up of pacifists, you are buggered


I guess I should have made it clear that I was asking for realistic examples. 



Fitting your idea of reality, you mean.
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Reply #21 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:25pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:13pm:
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Prejudice is based on experience.  Smart people learn from experience.


Prejudice stems more often from ignorance than experience.



Exactly.  People who have travelled widely are generally the most tolerant.
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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:25pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:13pm:
Prejudice stems more often from ignorance than experience.



Your turn for an example.

No soppy 'we are the world' stuff, please.

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Reply #23 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:31pm
 
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Fitting your idea of reality, you mean.


...Obviously.

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Your turn for an example.


Muso very kindly provided one for me. A decent amount of prejudice comes from fear of the unknown, especially when dealing with culture. Take away the unknown and become familiar, and you'll more often than not find acceptance.
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Reply #24 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:39pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:31pm:
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Fitting your idea of reality, you mean.


...Obviously.

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Your turn for an example.


Muso very kindly provided one for me. A decent amount of prejudice comes from fear of the unknown, especially when dealing with culture. Take away the unknown and become familiar, and you'll more often than not find acceptance.



Give me one culture that is unknown to you.

Then tell me what you think about it.

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Reply #25 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
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Give me one culture that is unknown to you.

Then tell me what you think about it.


Smartass.

Am I allowed to say that here?
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Reply #26 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:59pm
 
If it isn't censored, I think it's okay to say it. In fact, if it is censored, it's also okay to say it (and to intentionally circumvent the censors), as this forum really has no moderation whatsoever, as you will soon discover.

I'll get round to replying to your posts soon Freediver.
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Reply #27 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 9:03pm
 
Excellent. Thank you, Imperium.
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Reply #28 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
I think the point people are missing is that prejudice is a bit like intuition. It only gets you so far. Then it can actually be harmful. It can be taken advantage of (eg, this is what good advertising does). There is great value in learning how our intuition, our assumptions, and our prejudice can be wrong and can do ourselves and our society harm. The rejection by our society of what we commonly refer to as prejudice is one of the great outcomes from the resulting enlightenment.
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Reply #29 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 9:24pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 8th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
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Give me one culture that is unknown to you.

Then tell me what you think about it.


Smartass.



Better than being just an ass.

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