Australian Politics Forum - Merry Christmas

Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Merry Christmas Reply #15 - Dec 26^th, 2009 at 8:13pm Quote: Btw, nice info on Mithra, sounds almost exactly like the Christian concoction word for word. Yeah but unfortunately Abu, you are confined to beleving in Jesus Christ because he is also a part of the quran.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Merry Christmas Reply #16 - Dec 26^th, 2009 at 8:37pm I definitely believe in him, I just don't believe all the nonsense Christians do, which as that info shows is stuff they just copied from other religions anyway and tacked it onto the tale of Jesus.
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Reply #17 - Dec 26^th, 2009 at 10:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 26^th, 2009 at 8:37pm:

I definitely believe in him, I just don't believe all the nonsense Christians do, which as that info shows is stuff they just copied from other religions anyway and tacked it onto the tale of Jesus.

As is the account of the early origins of Moses (موسى), involving his being cast adrift in the bullrushes. If there is a tale from a pre-existing religion, then why re-invent the wheel?

(Referring to Sargon of Akkad)

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My mother was a high priestess, my father I knew not. The brothers of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My high priestess mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river which rose over me. The river bore me up and carried me to Akki....

It's interesting how so many religions draw on older traditions.

I wouldn't mock a religion simply because it has older roots. They all do.

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Reply #18 - Dec 26^th, 2009 at 11:42pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 26^th, 2009 at 8:37pm:

I definitely believe in him, I just don't believe all the nonsense Christians do, which as that info shows is stuff they just copied from other religions anyway and tacked it onto the tale of Jesus.

As a Muslim you would believe in the virgin birth, wouldn't you?

Virgin (or extraordinary) birth legends are common in religions and pre-date Islam and Christianity. Later religions usually tack on the story or adopt the essence of the story from older traditions... A little liberty with the truth no doubt to compete with the gods and religious traditions the new advocates are seeking to usurp... Hence the necessity of Mohammed's claim of inter-locution by none other than Gabriel, the messenger of god. If he was to usurp Christianity, or at least prevent its advance into Arabia, what better way than to claim that the new religion was revealed by the same entity that heralded in the elder one?

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good founding myth. Grin

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Reply #19 - Dec 27^th, 2009 at 12:42am

The baby-adrift story is a common one in ancient Middle Eastern cultures, even back to the time of the Sumerians I think. However, it could be quite possible that casting babies adrift to see if they end up with a better deal in a royal palace was just a normal kind of thing to do back in those days

But the same birthday and the magians and all that jazz is a little too specific don't you think???

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Reply #20 - Dec 27^th, 2009 at 12:54am

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I definitely believe in him, I just don't believe all the nonsense Christians do, which as that info shows is stuff they just copied from other religions anyway and tacked it onto the tale of Jesus.

And a differring account is tacked on to that by Islam...Chinese whispers.

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It's interesting how so many religions draw on older traditions.

I wouldn't mock a religion simply because it has older roots. They all do.

I truly believe that the foundations of religions were factually and scientifically based on logic.
However, as human nature is corruptive, the intitial truth has been twisted to suit personal gains.

Although I think that there are some flaws in the information provided in this video link, there is a lot of logic in the way that they express the true meaning of religious stories.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740987755232169561#

My opinion is that for the time, religious stories were a great way of furthering knowledge of the movement of the planets, the seasons, the time to hoard and the time to grow.
If you want to remember something important, then placing facts into a story will definitely help you to do so.
I think that this Pt.1 of Zeitgeist (although it may not be entirely factual) highlights the relationships of past religions and the real logic which was being ultruistically conveyed at the time.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740987755232169561#

No it's not meant to be mean to religions, it's just a ..what if?
What if religious stories are an allegory for the movement of the planets? Is that so bad?
Is it not in the name of greater understanding?i

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Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2009 at 1:06am

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 26^th, 2009 at 6:47pm:

Are you sure about that muso?? Aren't Ghanains blacks?? Are you trying to tell Aussie Skinhead, that blacks could be more honest than whites?? What kind of muddled up nonsense is this?? Perhaps you just don't wanna discriminate against blacks, so you've made this up? Affirmative action or something like that maybe??

Btw, nice info on Mithra, sounds almost exactly like the Christian concoction word for word.

It was a European colony. The Europeans past on their values to the blacks. Christianity was taken over by the Europeans and is now mostly practiced by Europeans, or people who were once colonized by Europeans.

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Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2009 at 3:27am

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 12:42am:

The baby-adrift story is a common one in ancient Middle Eastern cultures, even back to the time of the Sumerians I think. However, it could be quite possible that casting babies adrift to see if they end up with a better deal in a royal palace was just a normal kind of thing to do back in those days

Yairs... acourse Roll Eyes

But at least possible.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 27^th, 2009 at 12:42am:

But the same birthday and the magians and all that jazz is a little too specific don't you think???

And the virgin birth was also a later addition to the story of Jesus... Evidenced by the fact that Paul of Tarsus appears to be unaware of his miraculous conception. Unfortunately, Mohammed and the others who wrote the Koran were clearly under the impression it had always been an integral part of Christian mythology.

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Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2009 at 6:48am

During the early Achaemenid era, Zoroastrian faith was more pure. There was only the duality of good and evil which were Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu respectively.

It was during latter Achaemenid rule that the faith lost it's purity and began to accept other gods.

The magi were of an older order again, but because Zoroastrianism became the official faith of the Persians, the Magi had to succumb to it's teachings.

Once Darius 1 was dead and his influence in maintaining the faith of Zoroastrianism wained, other gods were introduced, by the Magi, and the faith which was oral became a written text.

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