abu_rashid wrote on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 10:29pm:



Which is, ironically, what Mohammedans have been doing for a long time know. "We only burnt down your embassies because we was wronged, man. You drew cartoons! That's worse than rape!! "

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There are several reasons. One, it is extremely difficult to get a rape conviction at the best of times. Yet it is a high priority. Or at least, it should be. The police often let the minor charges go to secure the more important conviction. The alternative would prevent people from reporting crimes, or bearing witness to a crime, because they may be implicated in something petty that in this case has a draconian punishment. You claim that Islam magically 'prevents' this sort of crime. Yet all I see is it covering up the crime and making it easier to get away with. You say that muslims take rape seriously, but that is obviously not the case if they would so readily undermine their ability to secure a conviction. Maybe they take it seriously, but just not as seriously as more petty offences like consuming alcohol outside of a licensed premises.

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You seem to have it backwards Abu. She did not get charged then cry rape. She came forward to report the rape, then freely admitted to the minor offences. She could probably have lied about the alcohol if necessary. She probably could not comprehend the pettiness of the local police. If what you say were true, people would cry rape in the west all the time to get around charges. It does not happen. The police are not idiots. At least, not here.

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Based on the UAE?? The UAE is not Islam.

I don't know why you consistently fail to understand this. Or is it more you don't want to? Much easier to just fabricate the idea that Islam is what's in the UAE (or Saudi or Iran or whatever) since it makes your argument easier to push? When I come on here promoting the system in a country and saying "here, this is what I think is the best system", then you can begin critiquing it based on that.

Until you make this simplistic realisation, I guess I can just begin using the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea as my model for critiquing democracy.

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Actually today it seems to be fairly easy to get one in Australia. Often it's merely the woman's word against the man's, and often goes in the favour of the woman. I think great injustice is being done today in favour of rape convictions, perhaps a "rebound effect" from the injustices done in the past against them, but still not right.

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Right, but in the West they don't follow your deluded idea either that other charges get waived in light of a rape. I don't think any country follows this ridiculous idea.

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The Islamic system does not permit alcohol (except for small quantities for Christian religious services) and does not permit women to just galavant around the city at night being passed out drunk in toilets to begin with. So the social conditions simply wouldn't exist for such things to eventuate. The UAE (with the exception of Shariqah) is an extremely corrupt and Westernised country, who occasionally pretend to be all Islamic and arrest someone, most likely there's more to it than we are hearing.

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No more than you refusing to answer a critique of democracy based on DPRK's behaviour would be.

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I don't know, why are you not?

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It is? How do we know then that a lot of these "my word against his" rape convictions aren't this very thing?? We don't...

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This was a recent case which was quite clearly just a word vs word conviction. The judge said she was "impressed" with the testimony of the female, and so she convicted him, with absolutely no hard evidence at all. I'm not saying the guy is guilty, he could be, but I find it disturbing he was convicted on such flimsy grounds.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:



Well, you promote sharia as the best system even though it is an utterly supremacist, fascist system:




http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/welfare/deathbooklet.htm


From the Consul General of India's website in Riyadh. They obviously deal with the intricate issues of calculating death benefits for the Indian nationals working and dying in Araby.
A Christian or Jew is half a Muslim. Anyone else is one fifteenth of a Muslim. Women are half of the men in their religions.

Sharia is Islam's operating manual.

Jame-e, did you see this in the link you posted?

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Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2010 at 2:51pm:



Inserted on lawyer's advice to avoid absurd litigation.  There is no prohibition of what we call rape by Islam in war. They just don't call it rape.