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Nov 24th, 2009 at 8:17am
 

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A BEAR mauled a man who climbed into its zoo enclosure in Switzerland yesterday, forcing a policeman to shoot the animal.

The 25-year-old intruder at Bären Park, in the city of Bern, reportedly suffered non-life threatening injuries, according to Sky News.

The four-year-old European brown bear, named Finn, was still in a critical condition after being fired upon, news website swissinfo.ch said.

The small bear enclosure, which opened last month, has hill slopes, grasslands, a river and a cave.

Officers said the intruder climbed onto a wall surrounding the park and either jumped or fell four metres into the animals' home.

Finn then bounded towards the man and attacked his head and leg.

A policeman fired at the beast, forcing it back into its cave, so the man could be rescued.

The bullet shattered in the bear's body and veterinarians said it would not be wise to remove the pieces, the website added.



Unjust against the bear.
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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2009 at 9:32am
 
Poor thing. Any person that stupid deserves to be mauled. Hopefully they put the bear out of its misery quickly.

I've forgotten the full story now - but somewhere in the US a bear wandered out of the bush and onto a beach and of course everyone panicked - including the bear, so it ran into the water - went too far out and started drowning.

A ranger or a lifeguard jumped in quickly and rescued it and ended up taking the bear back into the bush. Such a lovely story - I kept the photo.

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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2009 at 7:49pm
 
Yes it is a shame he escaped the enclosure, he would have made a worthy addition to the honour roll of the people at the Darwin Awards site.

I salute the morons for performing the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of our species.

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2009-06.html
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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:24pm
 

Why does an innocent rare animal be killed to "protect" some guilty creature of which there is already too many ?

Look at it from the bears point of view.
They have no freedom, are caged like prisoners through no fault of their own .............
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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 8:42am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:24pm:
Why does an innocent rare animal be killed to "protect" some guilty creature of which there is already too many ?

Look at it from the bears point of view.
They have no freedom, are caged like prisoners through no fault of their own .............


That is all true and most of the time they keep these poor animals alone all their lives without a mate.

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Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:39am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:24pm:
Why does an innocent rare animal be killed to "protect" some guilty creature of which there is already too many ?

Look at it from the bears point of view.
They have no freedom, are caged like prisoners through no fault of their own .............



completely agree Sprint, very much so..I adore bears and they can subjected to the most inhumane cruelities..

Anyone who climbs into his enclosure can expect to be attacked and it would never be the fault of the bear, this is absurd and very unjust.

I dont think there will ever come a time in our world where any animal is regarded as one of Gods/natures miracles and treated with anywhere near the respect we afford  humans...even tho we treat some of our fellow humans very badly too sometimes..
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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:47am
 
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that is a beautiful story mantra. The bear and the man involved here have a high level of respect and love for each other..when you consider this is a wild bear , and he trusts this unknown man/creature to save his life..

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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:48am
 
Ah... we presume so much...

What of the multi-million dollar lawsuit that would follow had the zookeepers stood by while someone was mauled to death?

What do we know of the man who climbed into the enclosure? Was he sane? Was he suffering from a psychotic or other psychiatric disorder?

How was it so easy for someone to climb into the enclosure in the first place? The zoo had a duty of care not only for visitors but to the bear as well... Why did they not ensure the enclosure of a large, dangerous and intelligent predator was secured from unauthorised entry?

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Reply #8 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:54am
 

Ah... humans presume so much...

What of the multi-million dollar lawsuit that should follow the unjust killing of the bear?

What do we know of the bear who was in captivity ? What was his/her crime? Was he/she suffering from a psychotic or other psychiatric disorder?

Why did that trespasser climb into the enclosure in the first place? The zoo had a duty of care for the bear, but this trespasser willfully bypassed the significant barrier.
Why can ther zoo do to further ensure the safety of this cruely kept beautiful animal from those dangerous and intelligent predators?
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Reply #9 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:04am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:54am:
Ah... humans presume so much...

What of the multi-million dollar lawsuit that should follow the unjust killing of the bear?

What do we know of the bear who was in captivity ? What was his/her crime? Was he/she suffering from a psychotic or other psychiatric disorder?

Why did that trespasser climb into the enclosure in the first place? The zoo had a duty of care for the bear, but this trespasser willfully bypassed the significant barrier.
Why can ther zoo do to further ensure the safety of this cruely kept beautiful animal from those dangerous and intelligent predators?

Ahh... Let's go there...

Killing an animal that is endangering a person's life is good cause to kill the animal.

And what court would hear a lawsuit on behalf of the bear? Would its life partner, the gazelle in the next enclosure, be the plaintiff if Momma and Poppa bear were unavailable?

An insane and dangerous animal is good cause for destroying it.

A trespasser not in his right mind would not be responsible for his actions. What would happen to the intellectually challenged if the zoo did not accept responsibility for their welfare and protection from dangerous predators on zoo grounds? Should they be banned from visiting zoos?

You're assuming the zoo had taken adequate precautions to safely enclose the animal.

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Reply #10 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:12pm
 

good on you helian.

1/the bear was acting in self defense

2/ An animal court would hear it. NOT a biased human court

3/ maybe it's cause included insanity ? In itself, it was not dangerous.

4/ anyone who enters an animals home HAs to take some responsibility for their own actions.
If a maniac sprints in front of cars on a freeway, the maniac has some responsibility.

5/ If humans cannot keep where they should be, they should be banned from zoos

6/ the stupid human should keep clear of animals such as this.
    I do not go teasing sharks in the water.
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Reply #11 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 2:06pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:12pm:
good on you helian.

1/the bear was acting in self defense

2/ An animal court would hear it. NOT a biased human court

3/ maybe it's cause included insanity ? In itself, it was not dangerous.

4/ anyone who enters an animals home HAs to take some responsibility for their own actions.
If a maniac sprints in front of cars on a freeway, the maniac has some responsibility.

5/ If humans cannot keep where they should be, they should be banned from zoos

6/ the stupid human should keep clear of animals such as this.
   I do not go teasing sharks in the water.

1/ You're assuming the bear was acting in self-defense.

2/ Now you're just being stupid.

3/ An insane bear would be a highly dangerous animal.

4/ Zoos have a responsibility to ensure the safety of visitors and a responsibility to act with any force necessary to safeguard their well-being, even the deranged or mentally challenged. It's sad that the bear had to suffer for a person's irresponsible actions, but the zoo acted responsibly by doing so.

5/ True only if they had grounds for believing that a potential visitor would act irresponsibly, but generally, how does a zoo know beforehand who will act irresponsibly?

6/ True.
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Reply #12 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 2:26pm
 

1/ If someone invades your home, you are entitled to defend yourself.
same as for the cornored bear.

2/ yes.  But I am arguing FOR the bear.

3/ My plea bargain may include insanity, bought about by the bears life long incarcaration.

4/ The fences etc around the bears enclosure were the appropriate limits of safety required.
if anyone wants to jump those, they are outside the zoos zone of responsibility

5/ as per 4/

6/ who would ?? same person who might jump into a lions or bears home.
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Reply #13 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 2:35pm
 
Point number 2 in Sprints post was not stupid Helian...like he said he is argueing for the bear, as am I.

The bear should never have been locked up in the first place. Who decides that its humane to cage and deprive any animal esp. large animals such as this.

If the situation had been reversed and a crazy/careless bear  wandered into the mans enclosure , would the bear then have the man killed because he made a mistake. ? I dont think so, its mans habit to kill first ask questions later.

Man is the most arrogant/ brutal inhabitant , who has scant regard for the life of any animal and in a lot of cases including his own.

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Reply #14 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 4:25pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 2:26pm:
1/ If someone invades your home, you are entitled to defend yourself.
same as for the cornored bear.

2/ yes.  But I am arguing FOR the bear.

3/ My plea bargain may include insanity, bought about by the bears life long incarcaration.

4/ The fences etc around the bears enclosure were the appropriate limits of safety required.
if anyone wants to jump those, they are outside the zoos zone of responsibility

5/ as per 4/

6/ who would ?? same person who might jump into a lions or bears home.

1/ The difference being that there's no possibility of negotiating/discussing a non-violent way out of the situation with a bear.

2/ The mammals are real... the reptiles are feral... this... is Judge Gerbil.

3/ That would be a discussion about the wisdom of maintaining zoos, which also play a positive role in the preservation of endangered species... But are you assuming... Was the bear depressed or insane?

4/ Were they? Appropriate to stop accidental entry into the enclosure only. The zoo will now no doubt need to review its safety standards.

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Reply #15 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 4:35pm
 
The Mole wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 2:35pm:
Point number 2 in Sprints post was not stupid Helian...like he said he is argueing for the bear, as am I.

The bear should never have been locked up in the first place. Who decides that its humane to cage and deprive any animal esp. large animals such as this.

If the situation had been reversed and a crazy/careless bear  wandered into the mans enclosure , would the bear then have the man killed because he made a mistake. ? I dont think so, its mans habit to kill first ask questions later.

Man is the most arrogant/ brutal inhabitant , who has scant regard for the life of any animal and in a lot of cases including his own.


Agree that non-endangered animals should not be locked in zoos. There's nothing sadder than those clips of elephants driven insane by years of captivity rampaging from utter despair through a crowded street. Female elephants particularly require and form very strong family bonds with their close relatives and become neurotic and dangerous when deprived of family ties.

Friends of mine have worked with the Australian woman who rehabilitates sun bears in Cambodia. Sun bears are often stolen from their mothers at a young age and put to work as dancing bears. Their teeth and claws are removed so that they're less dangerous to their owners but this makes them incapable of successfully foraging for themselves as is their instinct. Their life is miserable... However even after rehabilitation, they can still be dangerous and the workers need to exercise a lot of caution when dealing with individual animals.
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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:07pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 4:35pm:
Point Agree that non-endangered animals should not be locked in zoos. There's nothing sadder than those clips of elephants driven insane by years of captivity rampaging from utter despair through a crowded street. Female elephants particularly require and form very strong family bonds with their close relatives and become neurotic and dangerous when deprived of family ties.

Friends of mine have worked with the Australian woman who rehabilitates sun bears in Cambodia. Sun bears are often stolen from their mothers at a young age and put to work as dancing bears. Their teeth and claws are removed so that they're less dangerous to their owners but this makes them incapable of successfully foraging for themselves as is their instinct. Their life is miserable... However even after rehabilitation, they can still be dangerous and the workers need to exercise a lot of caution when dealing with individual animals.


I can't stand to even watch the documentaries anymore about the Asian elephants and the way they are mistreated - along with the bears, not only in Cambodia, but eastern Europe as well. I suppose human life is so cheap - that the suffering of animals, to earn them a few dollars, is insignificant.
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Reply #17 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 11:00am
 

Good news.

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RAJU the bear will never have to smoke cigarettes or dance on his hind legs under the hot sun again thanks to a multinational project to save an endangered species and end a cruel centuries-old tradition in India.

Raju was the last endangered sloth bear that had to work for a living, but who now can roam free at the Bannerghatta bear sanctuary on the outskirts of the southern city of Bangalore.

The bear's freedom is the outcome of lengthy efforts by animal rescue organisations and the Government that have taken the "dancing" bears off India's streets, where the animals were once as ubiquitous as snake charmers and their cobras.

"This is the very last bear that has been rescued from the roads of India, the actual last one and that is the end of the trade," Mary Hutton, Australia-based chairperson and founder of Free the Bears Fund, said.

Sloth bears are protected under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, but they often entertained crowds by playing imaginary guitars, smoking cigarettes and dancing to the pounding of drums, providing an income for their handlers.

The Bannerghatta bear rescue centre is one of the four that have been set up by India-based Wildlife SOS, Free the Bears Fund from Australia, Britain's International Animal Rescue and One Voice Association from France.

The animal welfare groups devised a holistic approach that involved setting up sanctuaries for the freed bears and giving rehabilitation packages for their handlers so that they have an incentive to give up the animals.

Raje Saab, Raju's handler, said he was looking forward to starting a new job with the money he has been given.

"I am happy that it is going to stay here, it will be looked after properly and will get proper food and care," said Saab of his bear, adding that he would probably start a small business with the 50,000 rupees ($1069) given to him.

Once inside the sanctuary, the bears get special veterinary care to heal their multiple wounds and are quarantined for about 90 days before being allowed to socialise.

They are fed healthy food and gradually adjust to living in their large, forested enclosure, although they can never be returned to the wild because many lack basic survival techniques, as well as teeth and claws.

Activists say rampant poaching by an ancient tribe of gypsies known as Kalandars, who used the animals for their shows, had brought the sloth bears to the verge of extinction.

They say the Kalandars used to poach sloth bear cubs and then force them into submission by wrenching our their teeth and forcing a needle through their muzzle.

Wildlife SOS co-founder Geeta Seshmani said the Kalandars used to train the bears by putting them in a pan over a fire. They often castrated the bears to make them less aggressive.

As a result, many bears died, prompting more poaching, she said, and poaching still remains a pertinent threat.

"The most challenging part before us is to get the bears to be looked after at these sanctuaries," Seshmani said.

"Our anti-poaching unit works very hard and, because of the demand from South East Asia, there will always be demand for the bear cubs," she said, referring to countries were bear body parts are believed to have medicinal properties.
"There is still bear-bone soup and there is cold-blooded trade in countries outside India. And it will be our task to ensure that our cubs are not stolen from our forests and our wild bears are not stolen from our forests."





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