Hi Ephestion,
I am here fairly new myself, but let me welcome you to this Forum.


Why authorities don't wake up to what this 'religion' really is just makes me wander.

Head in sand is not going to make it any better.

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You identified a weakness in Australia and nothing more. Believing has nothing to do with Donating. The weakness is that in a an atheist culture there is no common code of morals and pre-defined consequences. Trying to replace that moral code with Laws doesn't work. Because people get away with breaking Laws but they don't escape God's judgement. That in it's self is a fundamental thing that stops many people from doing the wrong thing.

Australians don't believe in a God not because they came to that conclusion but because we have lived in a bubble of borderline socialist-communist ideologies for atleast 100 years, inclusive of a pro-atheist media and leadership. Australias current condition of unpiousness is Probably reflecting the Institutionalisation of the penal colony past.

I agree with your suggestions, Ephestion. The Anglicans and Catholics have become way too tough on gays - we need to return to a more homoerotic Greek ethic as you suggest.

I love all those Orthadox vases. The priests must enjoy themselves!

your an idiot abu. The things you pointed out are occurences in a historical context. They are describing what happened and in a poor translation of what happened also.


As for my list it stipulates not a historical events but is the prescribed method of how followers of islam should behave: It is what the Koran asks of you Abu:

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@Karnal
Its funny how many gay magazines, gay bars and so forth exist in Australia. And yet you cling onto a MYTH that a few porno vases show a homosexual culture in 700BC. Why do you think Ptolemy a General of Alexander and Pharaoh of Egypt would bother making the LXX Septuagint (Old Testament)? There are more gays in Australia then there ever was in Greece! But you can cling onto your crypto homo fantasies of Ancient Greece I won't bother you.

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Well we know who's won the battle of manners so far.
Is that how Greek Orthodox Christianity taught you to deal with those who've not said a single abusive word to you? Is it any wonder I chose Islam and not your rude and abusive way?

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Really? So God didn't command these things???


"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

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I'm sorry but no such commands from God exist anywhere in the Qur'an. Nowhere does he command us to murder children and old people, in fact only the complete opposite is stated, that they are to be spared and not to be attacked if one finds himself in a state of war with another people.

You can claim these events were historical all you like, but they QUITE CLEARLY are commands of God, and the text unambigiously states this. And for the past 2000 odd years, the Christians have continued carrying out very similar acts, often quoting some of these verses as their justifications. So don't give this nonsense about historical context.

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ohhh Retaliating against an aggressor how evil...

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Again, defend yourself by fighting against those who are fighting you, how terrible, please stop you're embaressing me with the extremeness of these passages 

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How brutal and unjust, please enough, no more 

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Leaders who were camped outside the city of the Muslims, in a huge army, besieging their city... yes how terrible, how utterly brutal of the Muslims to be permitted to defend themselves against a marauding army 

Come on, you're joking right?

@Skippy so is Australia for jumping kangaroos. so what?

Abu you are just a typical muzzie with an excuse for everything wrong with the Koran. Yet non of those excuses hold up. As a spiritual text the Koran is a big Zero.

Greeks one, Koran zero.

Actually, is anal sex popular in Islam? They don't have vases there, I know.

Ephestion wrote on Nov 14^th, 2009 at 7:55pm:


I expected you to run from the truth, but can you explain your comment? in English?

Come on Skip, he wrote it in English. It might not be very intelligible but it's English of some description 

We have established that Greek men like boys. This fact is undisputable.

As yet, we are still to ascertain whether Muslim men appreciate a bit of the ol anal sex, although I think it's legal to do it with your wife.

Muslim countries are the number one exporters of petroleum jelly. I think Greece is the number one importer.

But obviously, they could be using it for chapped lips, so this doesn't prove anyting.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

Why does every discussion have to comes down to smacking Arabs.  

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From your initial post:
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I think you guys need the Ottomans to come back in and sort you out again  

I agree, none is as  bad as Muslims, they are officially, by Koran, allowed to be pedophiles by marring 9 yo girls.
There are some exceptions: Prophet Mohamed youngest wife Aisha was only 8 yo that’s why he was a prophet.
The conclusion is: Doesn’t matter what you do as long as long as you are pragmatic and make large number of Jihad warriors.

what are you trying to prove abu? I dont understand what that has to do with an Australian Orthodox church and how islam is trash? What exactly are you trying to prove?

Ever watch the Godfather? They would go to church on a regular basis and then go back to their life of crime. It was ironic and yet realistic. But in Godfather II the Boss confesses his sins and goes straight/legal.
Anyway regarding the previous post the thing they were doing is ripping off people who believed in black magic.

Abu, church is for the sinners.

What Orthodoxy is and what it stands for is dtill pure. Your ramblings and zeal to defame it is not working at all. Infact your just showing to me and anyone else how pathetic you are. So much zeal you would want to take COnstantinople from the Christians...

The articles you post are showing 1. Historical accounts within the bible, the posts I made in reponse are not historical but commanded of every follower of islam. 2. The Above article is showing people who prey on Orthodox or Greeks who believe in Black Magic. It makes sense they would go to church to get clients. Its no different to what Hamas does in Mosques only difference is Christians don't recruit Suicide bombers in their churches but many Islamic states do!

Everything you posted so far is just a hijacking of the thread. You want to talk islam go into your boards and talk all you want. Have I come into your muslim forum and started planting rubbish like you have done here?

Islam has no place in a Christian Nation period! Of the Christians of whom this was addressed to, I am asking the question why not Orthodoxy, Australian Orthodoxy!

The government is Secular Skippy the majority of Australians are Christians. BTW do you lean towards communist or socialism aka NAZI style?


"our country"? LOL
Last time i checked "our Country" belongs to the Monarch of Britain...who is married to a Greek!

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Want to take it?? LOL Read some history mate, we DID take it over 500 years ago. 

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They quite clearly were commands, it even says so in the text. And they quite clearly were understood as commands by the various Christians who undertook crusades in the first milleniium or so of Christianity. When they had crusades against the Norse Pagans, they used these verses as justification, when they crusaded against the Muslims they also used these verses as justification. It's in your text, and it's liable to be used at any time. And quite clearly is in the form of a command. Your God commanded those things. Also note that some of them are from the NT, and speak about events still to come. There's still come killing of women and children, slated for humanity in your book.

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Yeh in self-defense... how terribly evil 

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Hamas are under a brutal military occupation... Tell me Ephestion, when the Greeks were under Ottoman occupation, did they ever engage in military operations against Ottoman civlians? My history books tell me they did... In fact, carrying Crucifix banners, they raided several Ottoman cities, killing tens of thousands of Ottoman (Muslim & Jewish) civilians... probably more civilians than Hamas has killed in their entire 25 year existence. In one single raid....

Ever heard the saying about the pot calling the kettle black?

Here's how William St. Clair, a British officer, who witnessed one of the massacres described it:

"Upwards of ten thousand Turks were put to death. Prisoners who were suspected of having concealed their money were tortured. Their arms and legs were cut off and they were slowly roasted over fires. Pregnant women were cut open, their heads cut off, and dogs' heads stuck between their legs. From Friday to Sunday the air was filled with the sound of screams... One Greek boasted that he personally killed ninety people. The Jewish colony was systematically tortured... For weeks afterwards starving Turkish children running helplessly about the ruins were being cut down and shot at by exultant Greeks... The wells were poisoned by the bodies that had been thrown in..."

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As has already been made apparent, you are the one who brought Islam into your own thread. Do you think you're just going to post any crap you like here and it won't be challenged? Wake up to yourself.

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As skip mentioned, it's not a Christian nation, so on yer bike.

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As an Aussie myself, I can tell you the vast majority of Aussies couldn't give a rat's posterior about any religion, so you're wasting your time. Take it somewhere else like a Greek forum.

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Liar, Australia is secular, and we like it like that.

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 9:24am:




As Aussie as Rabia Hutchinson.

Ephestion wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 10:12am:


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According to the 2006 Census, 64% belong to a Christian Religion, but broken down into groups, there are as many people stating no religion as there are Anglicans (19%), and if you combine 'religion not stated' with 'no religion', they outnumber the biggest group - the Catholics (26%). If you want to lump the Christian religions together, fair enough, but just bear in mind that they called each other names (like Catholic Dog) in living memory.

To call Australia a Christian country is a very long stretch of the bow. I guess you could state that Australia was 64% Christian as at 2006, and will probably be around 50% by the next census in 2011 given the current rate of decline and the demgraphics of religious adherance between generations. Christians are a dying breed.  

Islam is only 1.7% of the population, so it's a tiny minority, but current forecasts have that increasing to around 3.5% by 2020.

You learn some interesting facts from the ABS site. Did you know that 24% of South Aussies are Godless heathens? So much for the city of churches.


Then there is the very tricky question of practising Christians as opposed to "Hey Sheryl, what's our religion again? Too hard a question. Don't you hate these census forms?"  

Ephestion,

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I think what skippy was pointing out was that many Australians are nominally Christian. Meaning they would tick the Christian (or most likely "Anglican") box on a form, but that's about as far as their adherence to Christianity goes. I can testify to this, as this is how I, and most people I knew, grew up. We had very little, if any, attachment to Christianity whatsoever. We never once attended Church, and I'd say it's the same for the majority of Aussies. Anyone who did attend Church was either Ethnic or a weirdo/nutter/fundamentalist.

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Unlike you I'm actually Aussie not Greek or any other ethnicity (as soren pointed out, just as Aussie as Rabia Hutchinson).

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Sarcasm generally implies a logical train of thought that the target of the sarcasm will follow. You're just babbling nonsensical garbage which has no logical train of thought whatsoever.

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So where are they? Why did you only post the self-defense ones? Could it be perhaps because you're extremely daft and don't know how to launch an argument?

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Right, and that's why I provided some NT quotes as well, in anticipation of your attempt to wiggle out of it.

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Wrong. Nevermind though, it matches with the rest of your upside down, inside out, backwards claims.

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The crusades were launched about 300 years after the time of Muhammad (pbuh).. go read a history book you ignoramus.

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The crusaders sacked Constantinople in about 1200, the Muslims didn't conquer it until about 250 years later. Again, go read a history book and stop embaressing yourself. That's like saying Baghdad fell to the Americans in 2002 because the Safavids attacked it in the 1700's.

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It was written by a European (I assume Christian) observer. I hardly see what motive he'd have to play up the atrocities of his fellow Europeans against Muslims.

Anyway if that's not sufficient for you, how about the Greek Orthodox priest Phrantzes' eyewitness account?

"Women, wounded with musketballs and sabre-cuts, rushed to the sea, seeking to escape, and were deliberately shot. Mothers with infants in their arms were robbed of their clothes, and ran into the sea as the only place of concealment, yet while crouching in the water they were fired on by inhuman riflemen. Greeks sized infants from their mother's breasts and dashed them against rocks. Children, three and four years old, were hurled living into the sea and left to drown. When the massacre was ended, the dead bodies washed ashore, or piled on the beach, threatened to cause a pestilence..."

Just as gruesome... no?

Regardless it seems you're just in pure denial of the atrocities your own people have committed, and can instead only criticise others. Hamas have done nothing remotely like this at all, yet the Zionist occupation has been far worse than the Ottoman one was, although not as long.

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Anymore... And most of the people in Ghazzah are also not originally from Ghazzah, but from towns like Najd (now known as Sderot) or other towns, cities and villages that were razed and/or de-populated during the Nakbah.

Their entire country is occupied. Ghazzah is simply one of the few remaining cities, which is just a big open-air refugee camp anyway.

Ismael Haniyah for instance, the Hamas PM was born in a refugee camp in Ghazzah to parents who were expelled from Majdal, now known as Ashkelon. Is it any wonder Haniyah approves rocket attacks on occupied-Majdal (ie. Ashkelon)???

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Charlie came from some other planet I think.

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Age? Skipped primary school again?

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you're as aussie as a giraffe

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 11:52am:


This was funny sprint.

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But, what a comeback.

Not directly but they wanted to nationalise under one common religion. They had zero tolerance for Greeks and Christians.

Which is why Australia should nationalise its faith to ensure it remains as it is. If Christianity falls under the 50% mark other religions will have a chance to destroy the Christian foundation of its laws. To some like Skippy they think all religion is bad. But that attitude only goes a short distance because as we can see around the world every country aside the New Colonies has a common faith. Atheism isn't new and its proven to be replaced by faith. By the time Australia is almost by majority Atheist, faiths of various types will have a chance to grow. That growth may lead to Budhism as some project, others say Islam will prevail. But for those other faiths to succeed they need a blank canvas which is presented to them through the atheists. The atheists in this generation or the next may have their reasons, but as time progresses people look for something more in life and since atheism doesn't offer anything, people look and investigate other faiths.


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http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2008/06/16/bishop-says-collapse-of-christianity-...

Islam is anti-female. Don't jerk anyone around. It is. It's anti-female, anti freedom, anti independent thought, anti progression, anti tolerance, anti decency, ...etc etc

I take that as an indication that you concede the point on occupation of Palestine?

Soren wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 8:56pm:



Muslim savages update
The Spectator. Rod LiddleThursday, 19th November 2009
Time for a quick update on what the Muslim savages are up to. Here’s a story from today’s Daily Mail, with a cut-out-keep picture, of Somali Muslim savages stoning to a twenty year old woman for the crime of adultery.
Last year they killed a thirteen year old girl in a similar fashion; seven Muslim states stone women to death for adultery, and they will even provide the stones for you, which is thoughtful. Eleven will chop your head off if you renounce the Muslim faith. The overwhelming majority of Islamic states will either kill you, send you to work in a labour camp, put you in prison or fine you if you are gay. Bugger someone adulterously in Somalia while calling a Mohammed a gimp and you’re REALLY in trouble, I suppose. I know you know all this, but it is worth reminding ourselves of it from time to time.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5552353/muslim-savages-update.thtml

I can't understand why there isn't an Australian Anal Church - the AAC.

You've got the Muslims, the Othadoxes, etc, etc. And John Howard used to say that the Liberal Party was a broad church, so they could be included too.

Will be when Abbot takes over, yeah.

Oh, Ephestion. I knew you'd ask eventually.