Hi Ephestion,
I am here fairly new myself, but let me welcome you to this Forum.


Why authorities don't wake up to what this 'religion' really is just makes me wander.

Head in sand is not going to make it any better.

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You identified a weakness in Australia and nothing more. Believing has nothing to do with Donating. The weakness is that in a an atheist culture there is no common code of morals and pre-defined consequences. Trying to replace that moral code with Laws doesn't work. Because people get away with breaking Laws but they don't escape God's judgement. That in it's self is a fundamental thing that stops many people from doing the wrong thing.

Australians don't believe in a God not because they came to that conclusion but because we have lived in a bubble of borderline socialist-communist ideologies for atleast 100 years, inclusive of a pro-atheist media and leadership. Australias current condition of unpiousness is Probably reflecting the Institutionalisation of the penal colony past.

I agree with your suggestions, Ephestion. The Anglicans and Catholics have become way too tough on gays - we need to return to a more homoerotic Greek ethic as you suggest.

I love all those Orthadox vases. The priests must enjoy themselves!

your an idiot abu. The things you pointed out are occurences in a historical context. They are describing what happened and in a poor translation of what happened also.


As for my list it stipulates not a historical events but is the prescribed method of how followers of islam should behave: It is what the Koran asks of you Abu:

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@Karnal
Its funny how many gay magazines, gay bars and so forth exist in Australia. And yet you cling onto a MYTH that a few porno vases show a homosexual culture in 700BC. Why do you think Ptolemy a General of Alexander and Pharaoh of Egypt would bother making the LXX Septuagint (Old Testament)? There are more gays in Australia then there ever was in Greece! But you can cling onto your crypto homo fantasies of Ancient Greece I won't bother you.

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Well we know who's won the battle of manners so far.
Is that how Greek Orthodox Christianity taught you to deal with those who've not said a single abusive word to you? Is it any wonder I chose Islam and not your rude and abusive way?

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Really? So God didn't command these things???


"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

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I'm sorry but no such commands from God exist anywhere in the Qur'an. Nowhere does he command us to murder children and old people, in fact only the complete opposite is stated, that they are to be spared and not to be attacked if one finds himself in a state of war with another people.

You can claim these events were historical all you like, but they QUITE CLEARLY are commands of God, and the text unambigiously states this. And for the past 2000 odd years, the Christians have continued carrying out very similar acts, often quoting some of these verses as their justifications. So don't give this nonsense about historical context.

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ohhh Retaliating against an aggressor how evil...

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Again, defend yourself by fighting against those who are fighting you, how terrible, please stop you're embaressing me with the extremeness of these passages 

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How brutal and unjust, please enough, no more 

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Leaders who were camped outside the city of the Muslims, in a huge army, besieging their city... yes how terrible, how utterly brutal of the Muslims to be permitted to defend themselves against a marauding army 

Come on, you're joking right?

@Skippy so is Australia for jumping kangaroos. so what?

Abu you are just a typical muzzie with an excuse for everything wrong with the Koran. Yet non of those excuses hold up. As a spiritual text the Koran is a big Zero.

Greeks one, Koran zero.

Actually, is anal sex popular in Islam? They don't have vases there, I know.