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Reply #30 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:41pm:
definition of nakedness differs from culture to culture soren. In many cultures, exposed breasts is the norm.

I'm sure a culturally sensitive guy like you can appreciate this.


Why should the norms in other countries prevail here? Our norms do not prevail there.



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Reply #31 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:48pm
 
Right why should we? Forcing anyone to expose their hair is not an Australian practise. It's something you want to import from France. Keep it France you goose.
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Reply #32 - Nov 11th, 2009 at 11:09pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:48pm:
Right why should we? Forcing anyone to expose their hair is not an Australian practise. It's something you want to import from France. Keep it France you goose.


We are not forcing anyone. We are just telling them to leave it in Pakitan or Saudi or wherever it is the folklore.
And laugh at them, of course, about how they are duped. Fancy coming ALL this way and acting as if you were still in the desert a thousand years ago. Going around like angels of death, all black and grim, prattling about 'choice'. Ridiculous.
But we are not forcing anything. We are very sensitive about the feeling of primitive peple. Especially of the ladies.

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Reply #33 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 8:53am
 
The people of Jonestown, "CHOSE" to drink poison.
Why would they do that do you think?
Do you think that people can be brainwashed into believing their choices are their own, when in fact they are actually just following the will of a controlling, dominant influence in their lives?
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Reply #34 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 9:12am
 
mozza, right, just like Australian women generally have been brainwashed to believe they must cover their breasts, no doubt by some ancient Christian delusion of morality right? when in fact PNG and other liberal countries show us that it's quite normal for women to walk around with their breasts hanging out.
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Reply #35 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 4:07pm
 
If that chick that was raped was ABu's sister would it be ok?
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Reply #36 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 6:55pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 12th, 2009 at 9:12am:
mozza, right, just like Australian women generally have been brainwashed to believe they must cover their breasts, no doubt by some ancient Christian delusion of morality right?



Wrong, as always when talking about morality.
You go around in winter with your bazoomas to the wind.

Have you heard of art? Are you allowed to hear about it? Have you ever looked at art? The west is not as hung up about the body as you lot.
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Reply #37 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 7:29pm
 
It is against the law to walk down the street naked, and for a woman even to walk down the street topless, even though it's fine for a man... sounds like women aren't quite as equal as we'd like to claim... Why the different level of public decency for women than men??
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Reply #38 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 7:47pm
 
Custom.

A tradition for peaceful coexistence, developed over a long time, under the conditions of a particular civilisation or culture.  It is to balance public morality and private freedom. Visitors may question custom but may not. should not, flaunt it. The public square is not for confronting custom.

The bare breast of the PNG tribeswoman or the black tent over the salafi Mohamedan are examples of flaunting the custom of the place.


Leave it in PNG, in Riyadh.


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Reply #39 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 12:12am
 
The society determines which traditions should be acceptable and which should be made into taboos and shunned. The artifical imposition of unwanted and unliked traditions on society by government protection (in the form of anti-discrimination laws, etc.) ultimately creates within that society a sort of artifical, ephemeral and obviously brittle cultural milleu, only waiting to be overthrown and restored to a more natural state by the unerasable biological predilections of the society in question.

Abu, unlike many of the people on this forum, I admit I don't particularly dislike Islam. I think it has many admirable qualities, but like all religions, it is in part a reflection of the biological tendencies of the people who practice it. It is not a religion is particularly suitable for the white man; and not just for the obvious historical reasons. Islam is a useful social tool for a distinctive class of the human population; a more naturally improvident, less intelligent and parochial kind. It with its evidently draconian religious precepts is suitable and effective for controlling the more.. simian.. of human minds, but for more sophisticated asians and whites, who acquire a sense of morality more naturally than other groups, Islam is superfluous.

However, the West, and I am in complete agreement with you on this, requires more societal strictures than it possesses now to be totally properly functional. Most of this trouble stems from liberalism/progressivism, but proposing Islam as a remedy to these developments is outrageous. It's almost like a doctor prescribing eleven tramadols for a stubbed toe.
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Reply #40 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 1:16am
 
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The society determines which traditions should be acceptable and which should be made into taboos and shunned. The artifical imposition of unwanted and unliked traditions on society by government protection (in the form of anti-discrimination laws, etc.) ultimately creates within that society a sort of artifical, ephemeral and obviously brittle cultural milleu, only waiting to be overthrown and restored to a more natural state by the unerasable biological predilections of the society in question.

It is secularisation that is the problem and the artificial state. The natural state is not biological alone but also spiritual. Billions of believers around the world prove it.


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Abu, unlike many of the people on this forum, I admit I don't particularly dislike Islam. I think it has many admirable qualities, but like all religions, it is in part a reflection of the biological tendencies of the people who practice it. It is not a religion is particularly suitable for the white man; and not just for the obvious historical reasons. Islam is a useful social tool for a distinctive class of the human population; a more naturally improvident, less intelligent and parochial kind. It with its evidently draconian religious precepts is suitable and effective for controlling the more.. simian.. of human minds, but for more sophisticated asians and whites, who acquire a sense of morality more naturally than other groups, Islam is superfluous.

Being able to articulate in the English language lends no proof to a persons' knowledge. You obviously have never studied the Koran or Christian Bible. If you studied the Koran you would quickly realise it is a fake a non spiritual entity. If you studied the Christian Bible you would not be calling other belief systems religions. Your atheist view shines out, not to mention your ignorance to religious topics.

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However, the West, and I am in complete agreement with you on this, requires more societal strictures than it possesses now to be totally properly functional. Most of this trouble stems from liberalism/progressivism, but proposing Islam as a remedy to these developments is outrageous. It's almost like a doctor prescribing eleven tramadols for a stubbed toe.


Your ignorance shines through! It is not the liberalism that is the problem. How could it be? The moral codes of Christianity are or were represented by the Laws in part. Our morals are derived from a Christian root. Shall not kill, thieve, be an adulterer etc. Along these lines the Criminal Codes of each state further elaborate the Moral Code of the Christian base. But ontop of this is a Secularisation which takes away the teaching or reference to God from with education systems. The majority of people would benefit from having a faith despite what you think. The benefit comes from teaching them morals and ethics that can never be truly represented by Law. It is one thing to avoid actions based on the consequence of breaking the law and another entirely different issue when the avoidance of certain actions is done to conform to inbred morals.

Your reasoning is that we don't need religion but all the problems we have could be fixed by religion. It's a typical Australian Secularised or Institutional point of view.
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Reply #41 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 11:29am
 
Not another loony god botherer, isn't yadda enough, where do we get em? Shocked
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Reply #42 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 1:51pm
 
Wonder what ethnicity these guys were... look very much like Anglos to me. And not only was it gang rapes, but it was a dad and sons team... and some of them are actually ministers in churches. But Christians don't commit gang rapes... no sir, only Muslims do that!



Dad, sons in sex-abuse case appear in court


Officials still searching property for bodies, jars with evidence
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Police arrested these men, from top left, after relatives accused them of child abuse: Jared Leroy Mohler of Columbia, Mo.; David A. Mohler of Lamoni, Iowa; Burrell Edward Mohler Sr. of Independence, Mo.; second row: Burrell Edward Mohler Jr. of Independence; and Roland Neil Mohler of Bates City, Mo.


LEXINGTON, Mo. - Five family members charged in a child sex abuse case on Thursday made their first court appearance.

A 77-year-old father and his four adult sons are charged with several felonies, including sodomy and rape involving children under 12.

The suspects are Burrell Edward Mohler Sr. and his sons, Burrell Edward Mohler Jr., 53, Jared Leroy Mohler, 48, Roland Neil Mohler, 47, and David A. Mohler, 52.
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The men appeared in Lafayette County court in orange jumpsuits and with shackles at their wrist, waist and ankles.

The judge read the charges against them. The men did not enter pleas and did not appear to have legal representation at the 20-minute hearing.

The men are being held on cash bonds. Their next court hearing is scheduled for Nov. 17.

Meanwhile, authorities were preparing to resume the search for evidence, including possible bodies, on land in nearby Bates City where the abuse allegedly occurred.

The property, east of Kansas City, was once owned by two of the men arrested Tuesday.

"There has been an indication that there are body or bodies in numerous locations," said Lafayette County Sheriff Kerrick Alumbaugh, although he would not say whose bodies they might be.

A small excavator could be seen moving across the property Wednesday. Two ambulances were parked nearby, and crews were searching a creek with metal detectors.

The allegations, which include bestiality, forcing children into fake marriages with relatives and making an 11-year-old have an abortion, date from 1988 to 1995.

Lay ministers
Three of the five men are lay ministers in the Community of Christ church whose licenses have been suspended, church spokeswoman Linda L. Booth said.

Alumbaugh pleaded for the public's help, saying investigators "believe that there are other victims out there" and that the public can provide more information.

Cpl. Bill Lowe of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said a 26-year-old woman came forward to investigators in mid-August with the allegations. A probable cause statement released by the Lafayette County prosecutor's office says five other siblings of the woman have accused all five men of abuse, but it's unclear whether all the siblings were claiming to be victims.

Lowe said the woman told investigators that she and her siblings had buried glass jars around the property that were filled with messages "about what was happening to them" when they were younger. The woman said she had "suppressed many of the memories of abuse perpetrated on her" and her siblings, according to the probable cause statement.

Bad memories
Sgt. Collin Stosberg of the Highway Patrol said the adults told the children to write down their bad memories.

"That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away," Stosberg said. "It was a way for them to cope."

The woman who came forward also claimed some of the men forced her to have sex with a dog and to watch as her brother was abused.

"She became pregnant and was made to have an abortion at age 11 1/2. She doesn't remember any sexual abuse after that date," the probable cause statement said.

Source: MSNBC
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Reply #43 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 2:25pm
 
Unbelieveable another little kid (5 y.o this time) sexually assaulting other kids... but nothing's wrong with our societies approach to sexualisation. Of course not, put up more excessively sexual billboards, flash more over-sexualised garbage all over the TV, and feel glad of the fact that at least we don't limit people's freedom!



Five-year-old accused of sexual assault


Posted Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:02am AEDT


Police say no charges will be laid against the boy.

Education Queensland is investigating a serious complaint against a five-year old school boy on the Gold Coast.

Two five-year-old girls have told their parents they were sexually assaulted by the boy on more than one occasion in a toilet at Coomera Springs State School.

The school's principal has advised police and the Department of Child Safety in line with departmental policy under the Child Protection Act.

Education Queensland says it is an extremely difficult situation when young children are involved, but student safety must be the highest priority.

A police spokeswoman says that because the boy is under 10, by law, he was not criminally responsible and no charges will be laid.

She says it is up to the school and the department if any disciplinary action will be taken.

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Reply #44 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 2:53pm
 
Abu before you get your pants wet about this statement:
"Three of the five men are lay ministers in the Community of Christ church"

I would like to point out that Protestant churches have a severe problem one of them is allowing non professional theologicaly educated individuals to become priests as volunteers. They think its our given right by God to minister and in some ways that is correct. But the fact here is that these guys volunteered to be ministers or Lay Ministers so they had access to naive and inoccent children.

Definition of Lay Minister: An unpaid, non-professional individual selected or self appointed to the task of minister or priest.

The larger Christian denominations such as Orthodoxy do not allow such positions in their church and the individuals becoming priests need to spend atleast 10 years working for the church in other roles such as chanting etc before they are allowed to become church or clergy leaders.
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