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Honour killing of Muslim women
Oct 30th, 2009 at 7:42am
 


'Honour killing' is terrorism
By JAMES MORTON

Last Updated: 25th August 2009, 2:16am

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FacebookDiggDel.icio.usGoogleStumble UponNewsvineRedditTechnoratiFeed MeYahooSimpySquidooSpurlBlogmarksNetvouzScuttleSit ejot+ What are these? Steven Hazel wanted to end his marriage.

He increased the life insurance on his wife and removed his prize possessions from the family home. Hazel then murdered his wife and tried to hide the murder by burning down the family home in southwestern Ontario with his wife's body inside.

This is a terrible story about violence and greed -- but Hazel's violence was directed at his wife only and he had no plans to intimidate others by his cruel deed.

Compare the Hazel case to the dreadful actions of Hasibullah Sadiqi who murdered his sister Khatera and her fiance Feroz Mangal in the Ottawa area because Khatera moved in with Feroz before getting married.

According to the Crown at Sadiqi's trial, the killing was committed for the purpose of "restoring the family's reputation and respect in the Afghan community."

Sadiqi presents a typical "honour" killing; a killing, usually of a woman, committed because she has breached some sexual code of conduct, say, by dating a man of a different religion or race.

In an honour killing the murder is committed for the purpose of enforcing the sexual code of conduct and warning others who might be tempted to breach that code of the fate that may befall them.

At first blush there's no difference between an honour killing and any other murder. If a woman is killed for insurance money or for honour, she's still dead.

But on closer analysis there is a difference and an important one.

Killing a spouse for insurance is brutal and monstrous but it is an act only focused on the deceased.

But honour killing kills the deceased and threatens others. An honour killing uses violence as theatre to intimidate others. It stands to enforce a sexual code of conduct by violence and threats.

An honour killing is part of an organized effort to subjugate women to a specific and oppressive view of society. Although the total number of honour killings in Canada is still relatively small, probably less than 50 in total to date, the impact on the community as a whole is huge. When compared to a worldwide figure of perhaps 5,000 honour killing a year the implied threat is heightened.

But numbers alone do not tell the story. Even at its height, the number of lynchings in the American South was fairly small (probably less than 100 a year) but the intimidation huge. Southern blacks knew the danger of speaking up for their rights; with honour killings, women can see the risk of behaving outside their place.

Under Canadian law, terrorism includes an act taken for political, religious or ideological purposes which threatens the public or national security by killing, seriously harming or endangering a person. Terrorism is violence designed to intimidate for an ideological purpose.

That's what an honour killing is -- violence intended to subjugate and intimidate women.

In the United Kingdom ,the Crown Prosecution Service has found links between honour killings and terrorism.

Nazir Afzal, the CPS's spokesperson on honour crime, said a terror group threatened to kill a woman, now in hiding, for her sexual behaviour.

"They told her husband that if he didn't put his wife in her place then they would do it themselves," Afzal said.

In just the same way the Ku Klux Klan used violence to enforce white supremacy in the southern United States honour killings seek to keep women as second-class citizens unable to choose how to live their lives.

Let's call honour killing what it really is.

Nothing else then another example of Muslim terrorism.
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Re: Honour killing of Muslim women
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:02am
 
I hope the man gets the justice he deserves.
Nevertheless, it amazes me how Jewish. Christian and Hindu honour killings never make the news. It this not blatant double standards. It is clear that the issue is a cultural one and needs to be dealt accordingly. A friend of mine  is invlolved in an education programme that aims at increasing community awareness of the issue and convincing the public that it is wrong in sub-saharan Africa. Her work is actually quite promising as she liaises  with the local community and does not seek to belittle their beliefs. Instead she works with governments and communities to try and change cultural attitudes. It is truly amazing what a little education can do.
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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 12:03pm
 
Christian and Jewish honour killing? Amaze us, too, show us how many you know about.



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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 2:04pm
 
soren,

Don't act surprised, I've already provided plenty of times information about Hindu, Sikh, Christian and Jewish honour killings.

Over half the countries that the U.N identified as having "diminished responsibility" legislation in regards to "crimes of honour" were Judeo-Christian.

It amazes me how time and time again, you feign surprise at the mention of Christians committing honour crimes, when it's quite clear they regularly do.

athos, this has been done to death already and has been shown time and time again to be something clearly and strictly rejected by Islam, but is something present in many tribalistic or clan-based societies like the Middle East, Indian sub-continent, South & Eastern Europe and South America. Just do a search on honour killings here and you'll find the topic has been discussed abundantly, and most of the myths dispelled.
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 3:00pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 30th, 2009 at 2:04pm:
soren,

Don't act surprised, I've already provided plenty of times information about Hindu, Sikh, Christian and Jewish honour killings.

Over half the countries that the U.N identified as having "diminished responsibility" legislation in regards to "crimes of honour" were Judeo-Christian.

It amazes me how time and time again, you feign surprise at the mention of Christians committing honour crimes, when it's quite clear they regularly do.





Bollocks on stilts.

You have never provided any information, ever, for a jew or a christian killing his daughter or wife on religious grounds, as a religious honour restorative viz. for dating someone from another religion.

You know what we are talking about. Your scare quotes are neatly distoring, as usual. You should have wtitten "crimes of passion", but as you know that would not serve your agenda of muslims have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.





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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 3:00pm
 

there are no judeo-christian counries, except israel.

honor killing is an obvious extension of the sexist stance of the koran and moh.
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:45pm
 
"crimes of passion" are to honour killings what American bombing the crap out of an Afghan wedding are to terrorism.

It's a way of de-legitimising your enemy, and making his stuff sound all strange and cooky and more evil.

It's an emotive coining designed to propagandise someone elses actions, to render them lower than your own, when in reality they're exactly the same. A Muslim man kills a family member in a fit of rage and it's an honour killing, a Christian does it and we've got this lovely little epithet "crime of passion", it's really disgusting that you actually use the word passion to describe such an horrific act. You're an apologist for the most wicked of crimes soren, really.

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A crime of passion, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault or murder, against a spouse or other loved one...

In some countries, notably France, crime passionnel (or crime of passion) was a valid defense during murder cases; during the 19th century, some cases could be a custodial sentence for two years for the murderer, while the spouse was dead; this ended in France as the Napoleonic code was updated in the 1970s so that a specific father's authority upon his whole family was over.

See also
* Murder-suicide
* Honor killing
(wikipedia:crime_of_passion)

Not surprisingly the Napoleonic code was the first European law system introduced into the Muslim world, and most likely where this ridiculous notion that such abhorrent crimes are acceptable or understandable.

So if it makes you feel better to give it a nice palatable fuzzy wuzzy little name for your people, and a nasty evil name for others, so be it. If you're happy with that, then don't let the fear of appearing like a complete and utter goose stop you.
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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:50pm
 
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honor killing is an obvious extension of the sexist stance of the koran and moh.


Actually the only holy book that calls for honour killings is your very own Bible sprint:

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Leviticus 21:9  And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.


The daughter of a priest will dishonur him when "playing the whore", and so she must be burnt with fire... If there's any such thing as an honour killing, that perfectly describes it wouldn't you say?? Aren't these the words of your just and merciful God Jesus??
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Reply #8 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:20am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 30th, 2009 at 11:45pm:
"crimes of passion" are to honour killings what American bombing the crap out of an Afghan wedding are to terrorism.

It's a way of de-legitimising your enemy, and making his stuff sound all strange and cooky and more evil.

It's an emotive coining designed to propagandise someone elses actions, to render them lower than your own, when in reality they're exactly the same. A Muslim man kills a family member in a fit of rage and it's an honour killing, a Christian does it and we've got this lovely little epithet "crime of passion", it's really disgusting that you actually use the word passion to describe such an horrific act. You're an apologist for the most wicked of crimes soren, really.

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A crime of passion, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault or murder, against a spouse or other loved one...

In some countries, notably France, crime passionnel (or crime of passion) was a valid defense during murder cases; during the 19th century, some cases could be a custodial sentence for two years for the murderer, while the spouse was dead; this ended in France as the Napoleonic code was updated in the 1970s so that a specific father's authority upon his whole family was over.

See also
* Murder-suicide
* Honor killing
(wikipedia:crime_of_passion)

Not surprisingly the Napoleonic code was the first European law system introduced into the Muslim world, and most likely where this ridiculous notion that such abhorrent crimes are acceptable or understandable.

So if it makes you feel better to give it a nice palatable fuzzy wuzzy little name for your people, and a nasty evil name for others, so be it. If you're happy with that, then don't let the fear of appearing like a complete and utter goose stop you.



SO you can't give us examples of honour killings by joos ad christians, then. Just as I thought.

You can talk about napoleon and leviticus but of course that will not make the fact of muslim honour killing go away. It is there, stark and well-documented.

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Reply #9 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 2:53pm
 
I've provided plenty of examples in the numerous threads opened about it soren, in which you were an active participant. If your memory is failing you, then there's a button up the top there with the word "search" written on it. Go back and refresh your memory.
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Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 4:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 31st, 2009 at 2:53pm:
I've provided plenty of examples in the numerous threads opened about it soren, in which you were an active participant. If your memory is failing you, then there's a button up the top there with the word "search" written on it. Go back and refresh your memory.

Bullsh!t. You have not given a single example.

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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 7:54pm
 
You appear to have posted in this thread of mine a few months ago about a Christian honour killing... oops sorry "crime of passion"... Do you not remember posting there?? Did you not read the thread you were posting in?
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Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:01pm
 
Another example where I posted an article of a Christian honour murdered, and I believe you participated in that thread also...

The only bovine faeces here seem to be proliferating from your mouth.
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Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:42pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 31st, 2009 at 7:54pm:
You appear to have posted in this thread of mine a few months ago about a Christian honour killing... oops sorry "crime of passion"... Do you not remember posting there?? Did you not read the thread you were posting in?

Yeah, I said this.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1248298617/35#35
Still stands.
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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:49pm
 
It doesn't stand at all. It's the same nonsense promoted in this thread... "Our honour kill... errr... ummm crimes of passion are all about love and kindness, yours are barbaric and evil".

You're nothing but a flaming hypocrite really.
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