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Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families
Oct 21^st, 2009 at 12:41pm

Looks like those behind the "Sheikh Haroon" persona are about to be unmasked... Strangely they don't mention the arrested person's name or religion, wonder why??

Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families

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A man will face a Sydney court next month, accused of sending harassing letters to the families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

The 45-year-old from Croydon Park, in the city's inner west, was charged yesterday after an investigation by the Sydney Joint Counter Terrorism team.

Officers from that team carried out searches at his home and two other homes in Campsie and Green Valley.

Police believe the man sent seven harrassing letters.

He has been charged with using a postal service to menace and cause offence.

Federal police released the man on bail until his first court appearance in the Downing Centre Local Court next month.

The offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.

Source: ABC

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39511 Gender:	Re: Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families Reply #1 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 2:53pm such a conspiracy theory ............. whyever did they arrest him initially ????? village fool
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Happy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 559	Re: Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families Reply #2 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 3:59pm Makes it extra hard on family. Edit: Well perpetrator got 'unmasked' during 5 o'clock news on channel 10 and I wasn't surprised who was behind this. Pity that he cannot get 2 years for every letter.
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Reply #3 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 7:18pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 12:41pm:

Looks like those behind the "Sheikh Haroon" persona are about to be unmasked... Strangely they don't mention the arrested person's name or religion, wonder why??

Wonder no more. They waited just to make sure that it was what evryone immediately thought it would be - a Mohammedan.

And waddaya know? It is!! Ain't that uncanny? Prejudices confirmed all round.

Good work. As the jews say, 'thank god we have the Muslims for enemies."

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Reply #4 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:14pm

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Wonder no more. They waited just to make sure that it was what evryone immediately thought it would be - a Mohammedan.

Really?? I heard it was actually that "Iranian dissident" who came to Australia seeking assylum because he was persecuted in Iran... who had a Bahai name, and was involved with the spiritualism movement in Ashfield setup by the Bahai community. Perhaps I was wrong... Or perhaps you just assume any foreign sounding name must make him a Muslim.. right?

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skippy Ex Member	Re: Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families Reply #5 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:20am He's a Muslim cleric that did it, anyone heard the name Haron? You ought to get yourself some better informers abu, you were way off the mark.
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Reply #6 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:34am

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:14pm:

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Wonder no more. They waited just to make sure that it was what evryone immediately thought it would be - a Mohammedan.

Or perhaps you just assume any foreign sounding name must make him a Muslim.. right?

No. The words 'self-styled Muslim cleric' and the title 'sheikh' were the giveaways, you pillock.
The pertinent bits went over your head again or are you just dissebling as usual (ie. stupid or lying?)

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skippy Ex Member	Re: Hate mail sent to dead diggers' families Reply #7 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:36am Quote: No. The words 'self-styled Muslim cleric' and the title 'sheikh' were the giveaways Wow, thats the first time you've ever made me laugh soren.
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Reply #8 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:51am

Skip,

The guy is an Iranian dissident, who came to Australia seeking asylum from persecution in Iran. Quite a while after arriving here, he donned a turban and robes, and claimed he was an "ayatollah", next he claimed to be a radical wahabi "sheikh" (never mind that the two are complete theological opposites and mortal enemies to one another)....

As I've said before, I did a little digging on his website and the people it was registered to, and the address and phone number and other details given belonged to a spiritualism group affiliated with the Bahais (funnily enough a minority religion from Iran, who are persecuted, and might seek asylum in Australia). There was 3 names to which the website of "Sheikh Harun" was registered, and none of them were Muslim names. The "Harun" is an alias, his real name is Manteghi Boroujerdi, not a Muslim name, but a Bahai name.

Edit: Looking at his website he's now upgraded himself to "Mufti Sheikh Harun" Grin

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Reply #9 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 11:51am

The tele say he goes by the name of Haron and that he is a Musilm mufti no less. Do you think he is lying?

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THEY are young Australians who paid the ultimate price, losing their lives at war - but now their families have allegedly been targeted by self-styled Muslim cleric Sheik Haron in an anti-war campaign.

Finally, after an alleged two-year letter-writing spree that has devastated the families of seven Diggers who died in Afghanistan, Haron faces criminal charges.

In the letters he allegedly wrote to grieving parents and wives of the Diggers - one addressed to a widow, care of a funeral home - he apparently accused some of the dead Australian soldiers of being "criminals", "killers" and "murderers" fighting a war of invasion.

Haron has penned letters to the families of Michael Fussell, Gregory Sher, Mathew Hopkins, Brett Till, Jason Marks, Luke Worsley and Benjamin Ranaudo.

One of Haron's letters was allegedly hand-delivered to Brett Till's widow Breeanna at his funeral.

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Reply #10 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 12:20pm

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The tele say he goes by the name of Haron and that he is a Musilm mufti no less. Do you think he is lying?

Yes.

The Mufti of Australia is Sheikh Fehmi al-Imaam. This "Sheikh Harun" is a liar and a fraud and is not known to a single Muslim community here in Australia. There's been countless articles, forum debates and even media discussions about the identity of this fellow, and the fact he's completely unknown to the Muslim community here, and that his website appears to be written by a non-Muslim attempting to defame Islam. The countless contradictions in his entire persona, beginning with his claims of being an Ayatollah AND a Wahabi Sheikh and ending with the fact that every single article on his site appears carefully manufactured and crafted to cause unsuspecting non-Muslims to become enraged and hateful of Muslims, whilst lacking even the slightest authentic Islamic content.

But, not unlike the other mindless idiots here, go ahead, think as you like, you will anyway. If the media report said "Self-appointed Muslim cleric" then he must be authentic... right?? If you have a shred of self-resepct though, do a little research and you'll soon find he's a hoax. And I'm quite happy to see he's now been exposed, and will probably spend time in gaol for his lies and deceipt.

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Reply #11 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 12:41pm

I think Abu is right. I've seen a lot of queries from Muslims about Sheikh Haron and he has been declared a fake for a long time now.

He's either insane or he's trying to discredit Muslims, although from the little I know of the Bahai faith - it is similar to Buddhism, so it seems out of character for a member to be so troublesome.

I would say he's stark raving mad and as interesting as the Telegraph is - it does tend to sensationalise a lot of stories.

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Reply #12 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 12:56pm

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I think Abu is right. I've seen a lot of queries from Muslims about Sheikh Haron and he has been declared a fake for a long time now

Is he the one who used to post things on the cracker board mantra? do you remember that?

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although from the little I know of the Bahai faith - it is similar to Buddhism

True, I think its from India.

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I would say he's stark raving mad and as interesting as the Telegraph is - it does tend to sensationalise a lot of stories.

Aint that the truth.i

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Reply #13 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 2:39pm

According to THe Australian, his name is Manteghi Boroujerdi. He's originally from Iran, and his father is a cleric. He uses the self styled title of Ayatollah. He lives in Croydon NSW, and he was interviewed by ABC Radio.

You can see the transcript here:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2001/240626.htm

He sounds a bit crazy. By the way, this was his closing remark back then:
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Whenever I walk in the street, whenever I go out in Australia, I feel I am in a real religious society. I don't want to say it is perfect, we don't have a perfect society on the earth, but when we compare, if we compare Australia with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, we can say it is heaven.

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Reply #14 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 3:01pm

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KEVIN Rudd will "reflect" on the strength of citizenship laws after the case of a self-styled migrant Muslim cleric accused of harassing the families of Diggers killed in Afghanistan.

The Prime Minister said in Canberra he could not comment directly on the case of Sheik Haron as criminal charges were being heard.

But he said: "You know, when you pick up the front page of the Tele today, I think people, I think their stomachs turned."

Iranian-born Haron is accused of a two-year campaign against the parents and families of Australian soldiers who died in Afghanistan. He allegedly wrote letters calling the dead Diggers “criminals’’, “killers’’, and “murderers’’.

His case is certain to raise debate over whether migrants guilty of hate crimes against the nation should be deported, even if they have citizenship, but Mr Rudd said he could not comment immediately.

"I want to reflect on it. I am very careful about what I say in terms of the specifics of this case. Here is a criminal investigation under way," he said.

“But my recollection of the provisions of Australian immigration law is that certain undertakings are made when people come to this country.

“It may or may not be possible to adjust those laws. I’d like to reflect, however, on their application on individual cases and whether any change in the future may be necessary.

“I don’t wish to create an expectation in that respect. I simply want to examine it fresh.’’

Mr Rudd offered his regrets to any family who had been harassed.

“Every decent-minded Australians should be giving those families not just a thought, but a prayer and their support in any practical way when these horrible things are brought back to their memory, and are brought back in a way lacking of all humanity," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26245412-952,00.html

this may be one of the few times I agree with commander kevin

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