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Reply #45 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:38am
 
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:08am:
Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".

The idea that society has the right to outright murder its own create victim is insane.

Of course, the murderer would also have total justification for his murders, because society commits murder on a scale millions of times greater than any of its criminal scape-goat creations ever possibly could.

IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective.

And this from a psychopath himself with an erotic fixation for psychopathic killers.

Another day closer to the ultimate existential act, there STT.
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Reply #46 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:16am
 

STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......
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Reply #47 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 1:01pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:16am:
STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......



Maybe we should, until perpetrator says that this is not honourable thing to do, according to rule of fighting fire with fire.
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Reply #48 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 5:52pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:16am:
STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......


Of course, it would be insane to suggest otherwise. Those who think "We will prove murder is wrong and that murder must never be undertaken by responding with further murders in kind and calling it justice" are suffering from a mental disorder.

It is just so retarded it is almost unbelievable.

The notion that something should be deemed a "wrong" action by a society that commits said action on a scale thousands (and usually millions) of times greater is illogical and false.

To further suggest that society should deem something "wrong", and then suggest that the appropriate action is the same action that it deemed wrong is so retarded that it almost boggles My Superior Mind.


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Reply #49 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
Happy wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 1:01pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:16am:
STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......


Maybe we should, until perpetrator says that this is not honourable thing to do, according to rule of fighting fire with fire.


But then you would all be doing the "not honourable" action.

And what good would the word of this so-called "dishonerable" be to you? What would you achieve?

Dont you realise that the reason why people steal, murder, rape etc is because of their own internal psychological, idealogical and emotion reality? You would just motivate them further.

If one can fight fire with fire, why can't criminals fight against the society that subjected them to child-hood harm?

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Reply #50 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:20pm
 
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Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".


So Hitler if he was caught, should have just received life in prison?

What about a terrorist who detonates a nuke on a city? He just gets life in prison?

Serial killers? Just life?

No those crimes, and certain others are only punishable justly with death.
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Reply #51 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 9:57pm
 
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 5:57pm:
Happy wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 1:01pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:16am:
STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......


Maybe we should, until perpetrator says that this is not honourable thing to do, according to rule of fighting fire with fire.


But then you would all be doing the "not honourable" action.

And what good would the word of this so-called "dishonerable" be to you? What would you achieve?

Dont you realise that the reason why people steal, murder, rape etc is because of their own internal psychological, idealogical and emotion reality? You would just motivate them further.

If one can fight fire with fire, why can't criminals fight against the society that subjected them to child-hood harm?




Yes, yes, Socrates said 2500 years ago that no-one does evil knowingly (each does what he thinks is a better thing at the time of his action).

This does not meant that no-one does evil. Having "psychological, idealogical and emotion realities" while doing evil does not make it OK. Just because bad peopl also have inner lives does not make them any less bad. Psychology is not an excuse for evil acts. What matters is the intention AND the act together.

And it IS worth protecting people from psychopaths, sociopaths and evil people. Once you reach the age of maturity, responsibility kicks in. If you want to be in the team, you take responsibility for your actions. You decide to harm a team member, you are subject to the law of the team. And those laws have been made clear to you before you did your evil act.
You will be given a trial by the team members who will imagine themselves in your shoes. If they find you guilty, the rules will be applied.
Socrates understood this and so he did not flee from the laws and drank his cup of hemlock.
Membership of the team is voluntary. If you do not like to live in society, you can live in the desert. You decide.

Moral: Be a man and take responsibility for your actions.





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Reply #52 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:06am
 
Calanen wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
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Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".


So Hitler if he was caught, should have just received life in prison?

What about a terrorist who detonates a nuke on a city? He just gets life in prison?

Serial killers? Just life?

No those crimes, and certain others are only punishable justly with death.


The Forbidden Truth is Ted Bundy (for example) and Adolph deserve no moral condemnation let alone punitive punishment of any kind from society.

The idea that these victim-creations can legitimately be "ajudged" is insane.
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Reply #53 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:08am
 
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:06am:
Calanen wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
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Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".


So Hitler if he was caught, should have just received life in prison?

What about a terrorist who detonates a nuke on a city? He just gets life in prison?

Serial killers? Just life?

No those crimes, and certain others are only punishable justly with death.


The Forbidden Truth is Ted Bundy (for example) and Adolph deserve no moral condemnation let alone punitive punishment of any kind from society.

The idea that these victim-creations can legitimately be "ajudged" is insane.


Aren't  YOU making a judgement there? How's 'victim-excusing; any saner?

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Reply #54 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:09am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 9:57pm:
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 5:57pm:
[quote author=Maciupki19 link=1253062099/45#47 date=1254970890][quote author=sprintcyclist link=1253062099/45#46 date=1254953765]
STT - there is something to that [quote]IF murder is wrong, it cannot be selective [quote]
we do not steal from a thief for justice, we do not rape a rapist.......


Maybe we should, until perpetrator says that this is not honourable thing to do, according to rule of fighting fire with fire.


But then you would all be doing the "not honourable" action.

And what good would the word of this so-called "dishonerable" be to you? What would you achieve?

Dont you realise that the reason why people steal, murder, rape etc is because of their own internal psychological, idealogical and emotion reality? You would just motivate them further.

If one can fight fire with fire, why can't criminals fight against the society that subjected them to child-hood harm?

Yes, yes, Socrates said 2500 years ago that no-one does evil knowingly (each does what he thinks is a better thing at the time of his action).


You did not answer to what I said. Instead, you rattle on about a mentally defective inferior who was so stupid and mentally deseased, that he actually chose to die by drinking hemlock.

Socrates did have the sense compareable to that of a rat or a bird and try and save himself.
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Reply #55 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:10am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:08am:
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:06am:
Calanen wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
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Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".


So Hitler if he was caught, should have just received life in prison?

What about a terrorist who detonates a nuke on a city? He just gets life in prison?

Serial killers? Just life?

No those crimes, and certain others are only punishable justly with death.


The Forbidden Truth is Ted Bundy (for example) and Adolph deserve no moral condemnation let alone punitive punishment of any kind from society.

The idea that these victim-creations can legitimately be "ajudged" is insane.


Aren't  YOU making a judgement there? How's 'victim-excusing; any saner?



No, I am not making a judgement on these victims of society.
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Reply #56 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:20am
 
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:10am:
Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:08am:
Seer Travis Truman wrote on Oct 9th, 2009 at 12:06am:
Calanen wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
Quote:
Incorrect. There can NEVER be justice in societally-sponsered murder under the guise of a "death penalty".


So Hitler if he was caught, should have just received life in prison?

What about a terrorist who detonates a nuke on a city? He just gets life in prison?

Serial killers? Just life?

No those crimes, and certain others are only punishable justly with death.


The Forbidden Truth is Ted Bundy (for example) and Adolph deserve no moral condemnation let alone punitive punishment of any kind from society.

The idea that these victim-creations can legitimately be "ajudged" is insane.


Aren't  YOU making a judgement there? How's 'victim-excusing; any saner?



No, I am not making a judgement on these victims of society.


So you are just talking into thin air with no grounds for what you say. you are just yammering. No rhyme or reason.

Now we are on common ground.
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