Reply to Yadda
many people say plants feel pain !!
Unlikely. That is a moot point, however. You are trying to suggest that to torture or kill a worm may be acceptable if a plant feels pain also. This is false logic.
when things are done physically it is completely different to learning it in a book.
Well, there is no need to have any experiance in worm disection. What possible use is there in that?
STT, doesn't your, and our, very existence contribute to the suffering of many sentient creatures?
Yes, you could say that. There is a VERY important difference between the individual and society. I am not responsible for what society does nor decrees. As are you.
As a society, humans are responsible for the genocide and extinction of many other Superior races. Even the destruction of the environment, which continues today.
What do you eat? .....red meat, fish, even plants? What do you wear?
.....leather shoes?
Yes, I have all of these things. However, as an individual, I am not responsible. Society is responsible. To suggest otherwise is foolish.
To refuse to eat meat is NOT a pro-environmental action, but a self-harming Guilt Manifestation.
How do you house yourself?.....the use of pesticides, or even a simple swatter, to control insects. How do you travel? .....what about all of the bugs, being squished on your vehicle windscreen? .....even if you do not own a personal vehicle, what about the same consequence, from the use of public transport, which you demand, and expect, to be made available for your use.
I am not responsible for this. Society is. I have to use these things, because society put Me in that position. The difference is that these things are not INTENTIONAL and easily aviodable. They are something that happens in the course of My affairs.
I do not kill bugs etc unless they directly attack Me. There is nothing inherantly wrong with killing them, as long as it is honestly for a natural purpose, and on a personal level.
Society has no legitimate purpose to the worm disection orders, whereas catching a bus is not a purposeless not intenful action to kill worms, insect etc.
None of what you said matters. Your argument boils down to "If society make a unnecesary murder of one life form, we can justify that by making more of the same". Wrong.
All of these processes, contribute to, or are the cause, of the suffering of many sentient creatures. And we all make these same demands, and sacrifices, upon the earth and its creatures, for the benefit of our comfortable existence. Should we consciously all desist from these activities?
No. Society is responsible. Society must do everything it can that is in its power not to murder. Of course, there will always be some accidental deaths of insects and other animals. This can NEVER be used to attempt to justify insect or animal murders, though.
Nor can it justify society teaching children that the decreed path of cathartic release and vengenace is animals and insects.
I guess we could try to live a 'low maintenance' life? But our being, alive, is a 'cost' to many other creatures. But, aren't those creatures, and indeed ourselves, just fulfilling our natural existence?
They are, humans are not. That said, no INDIVIDUAL human should ever go out of his way not to
un-intentionally kill an insect, he should just not intentionally murder an animal/insect unless there is a distant
personal need.
To live, is to suffer.
Buddhism - 1st of The Four Noble Truths
Suffering arises from our desire/attachment.
Buddhism - 2nd of The Four Noble Truths
Both these statements are lie-based, and made by Truth-hating and Truth-rejecting inferiors.
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