Good

and what would you say if it was a muslim?

what did you say about the muslim thugs who rape white christian women?
nothing

what do you say about the wanna be terrorists here?
nothing

what are you ?
nothing.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 4:14pm:


That's the way, smart arse - increase antipathy towards your faith at every turn. Who needs Mossad when we can have the likes of you?

sprint,

You constantly post crap about Muslims, and claim it's Islamic.

The Islamic texts clearly condemn rape and in fact prescribe capital punishment for it. what does Christianity have to say about rape?? What is the Christian view of rape?? Quotes please!!

We know the OT says to kill both the man and woman (unless it was outside the city limits, and therefore noboody would've heard her screams, in that case he just pays her father a few shekels and she's forced to marry him, never to be divorced). If the NT doesn't say anything, then we can assume either the OT still stands on this issue, or that Christianity has nothing to say about rape (ie. neither condemned nor condoned).

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 11:45pm:



sprint,

There is such a verse, permitting / inferring such sex [non-consenting sex], with 'war booty' / slave women.



Some of Mohammed companions asked him,
Is COITUS INTERRUPTUS with captive women 'sinful'/prohibited, should we just go the full hog [as usual!] ?

....Mohammed says, 'It does not matter if you do not do it'.
....i.e. there is no need for the coitus interruptus, GO THE FULL HOG.

"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...


etc,

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' " "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...


etc,

"Yahya said that Malik related from Ibn Shihab from Salim ibn Abdullah ibn Umar from his father that Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "What's the matter with men who have intercourse with their slave-girls and then dismiss them? No slave-girl comes to me whose master confesses that he has had intercourse with her but that I connect her child to him, whether or not he has practised coitus interruptus or stopped having intercourse with her." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...


etc,

"That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created." "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

'It is better for you not to do it' = = there is no need for the coitus interruptus, GO THE FULL HOG.


etc,

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

etc,

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 29^th, 2009 at 1:40am:



That is untruthful [that is a lie of omission]!

ISLAM prescribes capital punishment

for 'illegal' sex

e.g. adultery.

ISLAM does NOT prescribe capital punishment

, for a moslem man having sex with

non-consenting

'war booty'.

abu - Quote:



hahahha, nice "logical " thinking there abu. Are you saying jesus is wrong ?

christianity is a more "looser" belief than islam.
obviously the freedom granted by it and requirement to think frightens some.
Some prefer a legalistic strict structure that contains their whole life.
Those ones have denied themselves a spiritual life.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 28^th, 2009 at 4:14pm:






http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/1024991/type=display
Mohammed Rafiq Passwala who is being hunted by police

Warning as police hunt missing sex offender
30th August 2009
A Bradford sex offender who police have branded a risk to women and children, is being hunted tonight after going missing from a mental hospital in West Yorkshire.
Mohammed Rafiq Passwala, 52, left Fieldhead Hospital in Wakefield shortly after 9am last Thursday after being given unsupervised leave – and has not been seen since.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4572755.Warning_as_police_hunt_missin...

The offender is not a moslem, .....just a crazed sex offender!





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Duh!!!

Yadda,

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I've never promoted the idea a Muslim can't be a sex offender. It can happen, as it can amongst any nation/people/religion. On the contrary it's the non-Muslims who always play down the Christian background of the vast majority of sex offenders, and just love to highlight the occasional Muslim sex offender who occurs.

soren, interesting that you chose to ignore my 4 point post addressed specifically to you, and instead focus on the 1 point post addressed to Yadda

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You clearly have a different understanding of the term "addressed" than I do.

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And here is the major flaw in your argument. Nowhere have I claimed they're not Muslims. A Muslim doesn't cease being a Muslim because he commits a crime. Actions do not take one outside of the fold of Islam. But it's quite clear their behaviour doesn't emanate from the Islamic viewpoint of life, which is that drinking and illicit sexual acts are crimes. Whilst in Western culture, these things are not crimes. So the only crime they commit in the West, is not having consent to do it.

So according to Islam, they've committed a capital offense, whilst according to the West, they're just a coupla rowdy lads, but since they're Muslims, we'll throw away the key. If the Skaf brothers were Aussies,  it's quite clear they wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the sentence they did. In fact I think only the Anita Cobby gang rapist murderers got a similar kind of sentence... Remember those good little Christian boys who mutilated and tortured that poor girl to death, whilst repeatedly raping her (3 brothers, along with others, one of whose name was John, and another Michael, ie. Biblical names, and a name of an Apostle no less!!).

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As I've clearly pointed out to you, their acts are more Western style activities, than Islamic style activities. Their actions are completely alien to Islam, and as with the case from England you mentioned, his family disowned him, because of the despicable unIslamic character of his actions.

Yet whilst the extent (and lack of consent) of their actions are outlawed in the West, the underlying actions of drinking and illicit sex are not.

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Leb != Muslim.

Leb can be Muslim, Christian, Druze, Jew, Communist, Secularist, Atheist whatever you like. So I think comparing "Leb style" to "Vatican style" just highlights the desperation in your argument.

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Unless you've got another example, then all you're talking about is someone vocalising a nationalistic identity, which as I told you, has nothing to do with Islam sorry, in fact it's the very antithesis of Islam. I am not a "Leb" and neither are 99.9999% of Muslims. In fact the word  Lebanon is a Hebrew word, from your own holy book, and the identity of "Lebness" stems from a Christian division of Muslim lands (according to Biblical naming schemes). In my view, anyone who calls to "lebness" is astray and is clinging onto nationalism, another evil condemned and rejected by Islam.

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You quite clearly do.

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Even if they do, so what? It's about as relevant as a Christian claiming his beliefs drove him to shoot an abortionist. The wild claims of criminals only hold weight in the minds of simple minded people who want to see something bad.

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Sorry, there's no Islamic teaching about cats and meat.

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Just as you share the blame for the ideas that Christians use to justify their attacks on abortion clinics... right?

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No, what I'm saying is that the identity of "Leb" is a nationalistic identity. End of story, Islam doesn't even enter the discussion on that point. Australia is largely Anglican, so anyone using a term like "Aussie Style" would have to be Anglican and be referring specifically to their Anglican faith? A Catholic, Muslim, Atheist or Buddhist Australian couldn't use that term?

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Do you take responsibility for stray Christians?

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I very much doubt you'd ever credit a Muslim, no matter how great he acted.

by my reading mohammad does give "justification" of murder in the koran.

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and
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( or because they feared being murdered as well)

Ibid., p. 676

so any muslim can readily use the hadiths, koran and mohammad for justificatiion for about anything

abu - so youoaccept those quotes from the hadiths ?

i'm not a jew. I don't live by the OT.
I'm a xian, so I live by what jesus says.
I also live within the laws of the land I am in.

i have no idea what jews do, i dont care.
jews dont want to rule my life with an iron fist by force and ideiological dictators mired in the ancient past.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2009 at 12:16am:



What utter rubbish, lies.



abu,

As a good moslem should, you are defending the violence which is inspired by ISLAM, against ALL non-moslems,
.....INCLUDING THE RAPE OF NON-MOSLEM WOMEN, AS A TACTIC OF 'JUSTIFIED' VIOLENCE, AGAINST NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITIES.


Quote:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=20535&p=1

"The brothers, Muslims from Pakistan, targeted mostly Anglo-Saxon Australian girls whom they would later call "sluts" as they attacked them."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/27/1069825922999.html




Google,
"They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf" sydney muslim rape
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22They+were+not+covering+their+face+or+...







++++++++

Special Report - No. 10
September 26, 2002     No.10
    Friday Sermons in Saudi Mosques: Review and Analysis

    * Part I - 'The Christians and the Jews are "Infidels," "Enemies of Allah"'

    * Part II - 'Jews - The Descendants of Pigs and Apes'

    * Part III - 'It is Impossible to Make Peace With the Jews'

    * Part IV - 'Muslims Must Educate Their Children to Jihad… and to Hatred of Jews and Christians'

    * Part V - 'The Palestinian Struggle Must be An Islamic Jihad'

    * Part VI - 'Muslim Women's Rights are a Western Ploy to Destroy Islam'

    * APPENDIX - About Al-Minbar

Friday sermons delivered in the main mosques of Saudi Arabia are available on the Saudi-based website www.alminbar.net.[1] The following is a review and analysis of the major themes featured in these sermons....

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01002

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/01/nplot901.xmli

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That's right, I did not. Since you didn't even provide a reference for them, I pretty much ignored them.

Perhaps you need to learn how to quote materials? ie. at the very least, you *must* reference them, for anyone to actually take them seriously.

how about these ones ??
even though they are contradictory, that's ok if a muslim writes it.


Book 38, Number 4449:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.


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Book 38, Number 4450:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.

as is the muslim way the truth is obscured.
Ibn Ishaq was a biographer of mohammad, from birth to death.

the reference for the 3rd one is given - Book 38, Number 4356
course, if you dont like it, just deny it.


....... abrogation ......... you'ld think moh would get a simple thing like that right the first time  ??

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 8:36am:








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sprint,

Mohammed was a 'rightly guided' prophet.

All of Mohammed's determinations and pronouncements were supposedly revealed to him, by Allah.








Please listen to these YOUTUBE audio presentations,

Part 018 - Abrogating and Abrogated Verses in the Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxE6c3Y6II

Part 053 - Allah and his Aposle Know Best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uihsSHJxbVc

Part 161 - Muhammad and Allah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyz5uvJ5dVk
'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah was always very mindful of all of Muhammad's needs.
Allah, a severe God to all of humanity, except to Muhammad, to whom Allah gives divine sanction, to all of Muhammad's needs.

Part 163 - Muhammad the Humble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcDXs01DIg
'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah and Muhammad equal in importance, and it is clear that whatever does not please Muhammad, the same with Allah.
Muhammad, the narcissist.

Part 202 A - Allah's blessing and peace be upon him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B89NXdy28yE

Part 202 B - Allah's blessing and peace be upon him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQffZEIDkYi

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:36pm:


No.

It isn't.

Everything is rolling out, just as God said it would, 3,400 years ago.





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No.




The children of Israel [God's people] would be driven from their land, and be scattered all over the world.

Deuteronomy 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27  And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.



The children of Israel [God's people] would be gathered again, to their land.

Deuteronomy 30:1
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2  And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3  That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
4  If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5  And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.



There would be a new covenant, not because God's 1st covenant was at fault, but because of the weak and fickle nature of carnal man.   Romans ch. 7

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:





1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2  And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3  And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5  But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7  Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8  Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9  Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10  Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.






abu,

The God of Israel, is not the author of confusion.

God's plan is proceeding, right on track.

But the wicked of this world, are so blinded by their lusts.



Nothing can stop God's plan.
....man's own nature is driving it forward.               







Isaiah 1:27
Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee [Israel], but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
.....
10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

abu - he did not change the laws, he fulfilled them.

Yadda wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 1:51pm:


You know what? I do just that, I purposely very rarely look at the religious boards because I don't believe in fairy tales, but YOU cant  help yourself turning every  board into a godathon, give us a break.
You know, there is no wonder this place doesn't attract political posters anymore, most people come to political boards to read about politics, but all this place talks about is FUKCIN GOD.

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Well it does here , but not in the real world.
If you watch SBS you might see a story about the Wars in the ME but it wont mention Islam, in fact the word ISLAM is very rarely mentioned by politicians.
When was the last time you heard Kevvy say the word ISLAM?

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So, you were lying when you said that "Islam dominates discussion  by our politicians"?

That's ok, I knew you were.
So your entire post was bulls hit, you now admit that you WISHED that politicians discussed Islam ad nauseum, but they don't, because you now say" the West is living in denial about Islam".

So, let me get this straight, in one post you say that "Islam dominates debate by the politicians of the world".
Then, in your next post you say-

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So,you say all the political leaders of the world are talking about ISLAM,but they deny that they are, mmmm, not a very convincing argument mate.