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French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica
Aug 16^th, 2009 at 2:58pm

What is it about Western societies that causes kids to so often get guns and murder several people like this? It seems to be happening more and more, and honestly I can't say I've ever seen/heard of it happening in other societies. When will Western society wake up and realise it is sick? It needs help, it needs reform, it needs a moral re-awakening.

French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica

From correspondents in France, Agence France-Presse, August 14, 2009 07:07am

Family killed in Corsica
Family slain ... a police forensic expert leaves the home where the killings occurred / AFP

* Parents, twin brothers dead
* Used fathers shotgun
* Wandered streets after murder

A FRENCH teenager has shot and killed his parents and twin brothers, apparently while they were asleep in their home on the island of Corsica, police say.

The 16-year-old boy was arrested after he told a friend who then alerted police about the quadruple homicide.

The teenager used his father's shotgun to kill both his parents, aged 43 and 45, and 10-year-old brothers at the house in the town of Albitreccia in southern Corsica yesterday.

Investigators said they had yet to establish a motive for the crime.

"He has not given any explanation, he is tired and in shock," police colonel Hubert Deininger said.

The teenager did provide investigators with information allowing them to recover the gun that belonged to his father.

Investigators were looking at the teenager's psychological profile.

Deininger noted he had "no criminal record, lived with his parents, in an average family".

The boy turned up with a relative at a police station in the early hours yesterday after apparently wandering the streets of the Porticcio area, meeting several people including a friend to whom he confessed, said deputy prosecutor Valerie Tavernier.

"Police immediately went to the scene and discovered the four bodies in the house with its shutters closed," Tavernier said.

Source: News.com.au

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Reply #1 - Aug 16^th, 2009 at 3:35pm

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What is it about Western societies that causes kids to so often get guns and murder several people like this? It seems to be happening more and more, and honestly I can't say I've ever seen/heard of it happening in other societies. When will Western society wake up and realise it is sick? It needs help, it needs reform, it needs a moral re-awakening.

Children aren't intimidated by their parents anymore in Western society and many of them are very spoilt. When their money supply is cut off - they can quite easily slaughter their parents in anger.

But child killing is probably more prevalent in other societies. Children are killed for all sorts of reasons, or sold by their parents. There is definitely an imbalance in family relationships wherever we look.

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Reply #2 - Aug 16^th, 2009 at 5:21pm

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But child killing is probably more prevalent in other societies. Children are killed for all sorts of reasons, or sold by their parents

You may have a point there mantra, but usually in those societies, they're sold because of extreme poverty. And even in Western societies where these kinds of horiffic crimes do occur against children, they are usually not committed due to poverty or necessity. Like the Baby P case I mentioned in another thread.

Western society seem to be suffering from 'having it too good', that people have nothing left to strive for, so they kill and maime and oppress and torture one another just for the sheer shock factor of it, it would seem.

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Reply #3 - Aug 16^th, 2009 at 6:05pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 5:21pm:

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But child killing is probably more prevalent in other societies. Children are killed for all sorts of reasons, or sold by their parents

You may have a point there mantra, but usually in those societies, they're sold because of extreme poverty. And even in Western societies where these kinds of horiffic crimes do occur against children, they are usually not committed due to poverty or necessity. Like the Baby P case I mentioned in another thread.

Western society seem to be suffering from 'having it too good', that people have nothing left to strive for, so they kill and maime and oppress and torture one another just for the sheer shock factor of it, it would seem.

Yes I'm sure thats the reason Abu, would have nothing to do with cultural upbringing now would it?..Just kill for the fun of it thats what dysfunctional inferior Westerners do?

So tell me how poverty relates to a child being sold..ie the morals and values that the parents in these families place upon that life of their own flesh..someone was hungry, had to buy a goat, needed gas for the car perhaps..?

What makes these crimes against humanity any different/less grave than in Western Culture..?

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would have nothing to do with cultural upbringing now would it?

Actually it's everything to do with culture. It's a product of a failed and wayward culture that has lost it's moral compass and just seems to feed of outstripping the previous generation in how 'bad' it can be.

Since it is your culture, I know you're going to find this hard to stomach, and I don't blame you for defending it.. but, there comes a time when people have to realise their culture is going downhill. I thank God that I was given such an opportunity.

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So tell me how poverty relates to a child being sold

That usually only occurs in countries like Laos or some African countries, where people are really sunk into poverty. They literally don't have money or belongings to feed themselves. It doesn't make it acceptable, but living in the comfort of the West, it's hard for us to judge them for it, really.

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What makes these crimes against humanity any different/less grave than in Western Culture..?

One is doing it out of necessity, through survival instinct perhaps? The other is just doing it out of boredom/psychological instability.

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Reply #5 - Aug 16^th, 2009 at 11:21pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 6:23pm:

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would have nothing to do with cultural upbringing now would it?

Actually it's everything to do with culture. It's a product of a failed and wayward culture that has lost it's moral compass and just seems to feed of outstripping the previous generation in how 'bad' it can be.

Since it is your culture, I know you're going to find this hard to stomach, and I don't blame you for defending it.. but, there comes a time when people have to realise their culture is going downhill. I thank God that I was given such an opportunity.

God, you are a prick.

"TUNISIA: WOMAN KILLS SON IN ORDER TO GET MARRIED
(ANSAmed) - TUNIS, AUGUST 12 - In order not to lose her fiancé a Tunisian women killed her 8-year-old son with the help of the man and another friend, then threw the boy's body down a well, reported Le Temps today. The victim, born out of wedlock, represented an obstacle to the couplés marriage and the woman's boyfriend required the mother to get rid of the child. The trio then decided to kill the boy, first beating and then strangling him. The women, who confessed to the crime, is in jail awaiting trail. Her accomplices are still fleeing from authorities. (ANSAmed). "

OR

"Illegal call traders held; two maids claim ‘rape’
Kuwait : A man in charge of a maid recruiting agency has accused a Kuwaiti citizen of raping two Eritrean maids recruited by him, reports Al-Shahid.

OR

"Nepali maid dies after female sponsor bangs head with tile
Kuwait : A Nepali housemaid died after her Kuwaiti female employer hit her on the head with a bathroom tile in Umm Al-Haiman, reports Al-Seyassah daily."

OR

"70-year-old hakeem rapes 80-year-old woman

LAHORE: A 70-year-old ‘hakeem’ allegedly raped an 80-year-old woman in his clinic after intoxicating her in Kot Lakhpat police precincts on Wednesday.

Kot Lakhpat police registered an FIR against the accused Ahmed Din and arrested him on the elderly woman’s complaint. The police registered an FIR on charges of rape, unnatural offence and intoxication.

The complainant, Fateh Bibi, in her application submitted that she went to Ashraf Dawakhana in Awami Colony for getting a medicine for her headache. She said the hakeem gave her some medicine and advised her to take it right then, saying that it would relieve her of pain immediately."

You can indeed thank Allan for being given the opportunity to belong to this shining and examplary culture. We are all looking for a way in, rest assured.

I don't know what trauma you had as a young person but by god, you are paying dearly if your penance is the burden of this culture. Alternatively, you must have had a monstrous life before your conversion if this is the culture that represents a relief in your life.

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Reply #6 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:19am

Those crimes are against Islamic culture, not for it.

The decadence of Western culture is a fundamental part of it. And since it is ever-changing, and permits pretty much anyhting to occur (so long as the plebs vote for it), then it just continues to get more and more decadent. Not so long ago adultery was forbidden, now it's fine, and rampant all through society, then homosexuality, what next? Take your pick, incest, paedophilia or bestiality... these are the three contenders on the horizon for the next taboo to be broken.

Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

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Reply #8 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 2:58pm:

What is it about Western societies that causes kids to so often get guns and murder several people like this? It seems to be happening more and more, and honestly I can't say I've ever seen/heard of it happening in other societies. When will Western society wake up and realise it is sick? It needs help, it needs reform, it needs a moral re-awakening.

Absolutely!

Exodus 20:1
And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #9 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:21pm Quote: In the same way, the crime you indicated in Corsica are against their culture. As per usual, there is no recommendation for that in the Bible. Doesn't stop people posting such things and trying to blame them on Islam. So you can consider this a little taste of your own medicine.
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Reply #10 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 2:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:19am:

Those crimes are against Islamic culture, not for it.

The decadence of Western culture is a fundamental part of it. And since it is ever-changing, and permits pretty much anyhting to occur (so long as the plebs vote for it), then it just continues to get more and more decadent. Not so long ago adultery was forbidden, now it's fine, and rampant all through society, then homosexuality, what next? Take your pick, incest, paedophilia or bestiality... these are the three contenders on the horizon for the next taboo to be broken.

Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

Everything bad in the West is due to - Western culture.
Everything bad in Muslim places is also due to Western culture.

Muslims who do good have resisted the great tempter, the West
Muslims who do eviil have not resisted the great tempter, the West.

This is why Mohammedans like you are treated like petulant, emotionally incontinent children and get smacked more than anybody else. You are incapable of taking responsibility for your conduct.

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Reply #11 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 3:46pm

Soren wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 2:17pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:19am:

Those crimes are against Islamic culture, not for it.

The decadence of Western culture is a fundamental part of it. And since it is ever-changing, and permits pretty much anyhting to occur (so long as the plebs vote for it), then it just continues to get more and more decadent. Not so long ago adultery was forbidden, now it's fine, and rampant all through society, then homosexuality, what next? Take your pick, incest, paedophilia or bestiality... these are the three contenders on the horizon for the next taboo to be broken.

Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

Everything bad in the West is due to - Western culture.
Everything bad in Muslim places is also due to - Western culture.

Muslims who do good have resisted the great tempter, the West
Muslims who do eviil have not resisted the great tempter, the West.

This is why Mohammedans like you are treated like petulant, emotionally incontinent children and get smacked more than anybody else. You are incapable of taking responsibility for your conduct.

LOL

That is succinct.

And a very true observation, ....according to Mohammedan's that is! Cheesy

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Reply #12 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 3:59pm

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Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

Women have abortions for lots of reasons, many of them are raped or even gang raped, what happens in Muslim countries when women are gang raped, are they made to have the baby?

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Reply #13 - Aug 17^th, 2009 at 4:19pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 17^th, 2009 at 12:19am:

Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever
, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

Lies, from a good moslem.

Proof.....

“Honor Killing” is Absolutely Islamic!
by Syed Kamran Mirza
01 Jul, 2005 (Updated 16 Jan, 2008)

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

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Killing of a child has NEVER been permitted in Islam for any reason whatsoever, I don't doubt it will one day be voted for in Western society, and in fact some would argue it already has (abortion). Might take some time, but it'll work it's way onto the books.

Women have abortions for lots of reasons, many of them are raped or even gang raped, what happens in Muslim countries when women are gang raped, are they made to have the baby?

skip,

They get 200 lashes for their unlawful 'promiscuity', and/or
, they are often "honour" killed by their own families.

TRUTH

Google,
saudi rape victim
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