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Aug 6th, 2009 at 10:36pm
 
The sub prime mortgage crisis was caused by government intervention. Now you may watch your little left wing media and not or your just ignorant. Let me explain to you what caused the real estate debacle. One the federal reserve lowered interests rates artificially to an extremely low level. They did not let the market dictate the interest rates. This encouraged investing and spending and discouraged saving. However the biggest problem was the government run mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These were social justice mortgage companies who would back loans to people that normally would not be able to get loans. So the government backed loans to some people that didn't even have a job.  Now the government run industry like all government run entities had bad books, it didn't have the accountability and efficiency it should have. Then to make matters worse the government then bullied banks to make loans to minorities even if  the banks thought it was a bad idea. They threatened lawsuits and regulations and mandates. Now let me enlighten you to what happened, the people that the banks were forced to loan to and the people that took out govt mortgages didn't pay them back. Well seems like their was a reason that they couldn't qualify for the banks lending standards prior to the govt getting involved. This of course eventually made fannie mae and freddie mac go bankrupt as well as the banks that had to give loans to people that couldn't afford it. Also the low interest that the federal reserve artificially lowered to try to stimulate the economy encouraged the kind of buying and building of houses by people at a distorted rate because they weren't going by market standards they were going by artificially lowered interest rates set by the fed reserve. Now when the borrowers couldn't pay the house note this led to the bankruptcy of fannie mae and freddie mac and to the banks that made the loans to people that should of never got houses. Now these lowered interest rates led to people spending more than they should and built an economy centered around real estate artificially. So when the real estate industry fell our whole economy fell. But it wasn't the market that did this it was the exact opposite, it was govt. intervention.   
                    Hope you see the light now
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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 7:56am
 

good luck with the leftards here american.

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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 8:02am
 
How funny was it that Obama was involved with suing the CitiGroup in the early 90s because of their reluctance to loan to moronic black people with terrible credit ratings?

Now everybody is babbling about how the banks behaved in a predatory fashion when they loaned to African Americans who had no ability to pay back the loans. Yet at the time, refusing a loan application (for the perfectly valid reason of having a poo credit rating) would have landed one in a lot of trouble for "racism".

Life is funny sometimes.
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 4:13pm
 
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One the federal reserve lowered interests rates artificially to an extremely low level.


You could start by getting your facts right. This type of criticism alsways seems to hinge on ignoring the actual timeline of how things happened.  Interest rates were raised by the reserve bank a long time before any kind of crisis hit. This actually prevented people from taking out unsustainable mortgages, compared to a non-interventionist approach. Government control of interest rates has done wonders in smoothing out the boom bust cycle that is inherent in capitalist markets. That is why you see no people queueing up for food stamps this time around. It is not just a left wing issue. The mainstream from both sides of politics supports it.
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 4:24pm
 
Americancitizen87 wrote on Aug 6th, 2009 at 10:36pm:
The sub prime mortgage crisis was caused by government intervention. Now you may watch your little left wing media and not or your just ignorant. Let me explain to you what caused the real estate debacle. One the federal reserve lowered interests rates artificially to an extremely low level. They did not let the market dictate the interest rates. This encouraged investing and spending and discouraged saving. However the biggest problem was the government run mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These were social justice mortgage companies who would back loans to people that normally would not be able to get loans. So the government backed loans to some people that didn't even have a job.  Now the government run industry like all government run entities had bad books, it didn't have the accountability and efficiency it should have. Then to make matters worse the government then bullied banks to make loans to minorities even if  the banks thought it was a bad idea. They threatened lawsuits and regulations and mandates. Now let me enlighten you to what happened, the people that the banks were forced to loan to and the people that took out govt mortgages didn't pay them back. Well seems like their was a reason that they couldn't qualify for the banks lending standards prior to the govt getting involved. This of course eventually made fannie mae and freddie mac go bankrupt as well as the banks that had to give loans to people that couldn't afford it. Also the low interest that the federal reserve artificially lowered to try to stimulate the economy encouraged the kind of buying and building of houses by people at a distorted rate because they weren't going by market standards they were going by artificially lowered interest rates set by the fed reserve. Now when the borrowers couldn't pay the house note this led to the bankruptcy of fannie mae and freddie mac and to the banks that made the loans to people that should of never got houses. Now these lowered interest rates led to people spending more than they should and built an economy centered around real estate artificially. So when the real estate industry fell our whole economy fell. But it wasn't the market that did this it was the exact opposite, it was govt. intervention.  
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You seem confused Americancitizen87, why blame "left wing people" when the sub prime crisis was under the watch of George dubya.
Thanks for the history lesson but we have media in Australia we even have TVs so we can watch things like George dubya stuff the USA economy whilst he invaded other countries for oil.
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:03pm
 
I'm not a Bush guy!! He was not a fiscal conservative. He and Alan Greenspan kept the interest rates artificially low for too long and he blew up the deficit
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 4:13pm:
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One the federal reserve lowered interests rates artificially to an extremely low level.


You could start by getting your facts right. This type of criticism alsways seems to hinge on ignoring the actual timeline of how things happened.  Interest rates were raised by the reserve bank a long time before any kind of crisis hit. This actually prevented people from taking out unsustainable mortgages, compared to a non-interventionist approach. Government control of interest rates has done wonders in smoothing out the boom bust cycle that is inherent in capitalist markets. That is why you see no people queueing up for food stamps this time around. It is not just a left wing issue. The mainstream from both sides of politics supports it.

There are 30 million people on food stamps in the US right now. Your missing the point the fed shouldn't have to raise interest rates to avoid disasters that they cause the markets should dictate interest rates
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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:23pm
 
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Your missing the point the fed shouldn't have to raise interest rates to avoid disasters that they cause the markets should dictate interest rates


Why not? It sounds like you are putting the market before the people it is supposed to serve. It is a myth that a totally free market can solve every economic problem.

You are missing the point. The fed did not cause the disaster in the first place. They prevented one.
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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:29pm
 
Man I am sorry you are misinformed brother. The fed's low interest rates led to an artificial lending standard as well as a government run mortgage called fannie mae and freddie mac that guaranteed loans to people who couldn't normally qualify and this not only drove up housing prices but it led to reckless lending and spending.
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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:23pm:
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Your missing the point the fed shouldn't have to raise interest rates to avoid disasters that they cause the markets should dictate interest rates


Why not? It sounds like you are putting the market before the people it is supposed to serve. It is a myth that a totally free market can solve every economic problem.

You are missing the point. The fed did not cause the disaster in the first place. They prevented one.

If the fed wouldn't have lowered the interest rates and pumped money into the financial system then you wouldn't have the artificial bubble of the reckless spending and borrowing that popped. Go to Youtube and watch Peter Schiff videos or something. That is a place to start.
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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 6:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 5:23pm:
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Your missing the point the fed shouldn't have to raise interest rates to avoid disasters that they cause the markets should dictate interest rates


Why not? It sounds like you are putting the market before the people it is supposed to serve. It is a myth that a totally free market can solve every economic problem.

You are missing the point. The fed did not cause the disaster in the first place. They prevented one.



The market IS the people - as distinct from the government, which is another manifestation of the people.
And so there has never, ever, been a talk or practice of totally free markets - or an absolute government control of every aspect of life, on the other hand.

The markets are answers to question that are framed in terms of economics. Government is an answer to questions framed in terms of control.  It is always a matter of letting each do what it is supposed to.
Political disputes and discussions are about that - what is each supposed to do.

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Reply #11 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:06pm
 
Skippeeeee...  for your information the sub-prime crisis was due to policies brought in by the Clinton Administration.
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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 9:35pm
 
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If the fed wouldn't have lowered the interest rates and pumped money into the financial system then you wouldn't have the artificial bubble


The bubble was natural, not artificial. The federal reserve saw it coming from a mile off and prevented it getting out of control. It's like you are blaming a driver for the steering wheel going back and forth slightly because you believe the car would run dead straight with no hands on the wheel. The cause comes before the effect, not after. Picking two historical events and linking them together for convenience, regardless off the timing, flies in the face of reason. Interest rates were high during the bubble. They had been for a long time. In fact the high interest rates track the rise and fall of the bubble almost perfectly.

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Go to Youtube and watch Peter Schiff videos or something.


So that's where you get your understanding of economics, youtube videos? You need to get your facts straight, and youtube is not the place to do it. Whatever luntatic idea someone believes, they can always find a youtube video to back them up. It is only useful for fooling people, because it is so much easier to gloss over the facts.

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And so there has never, ever, been a talk or practice of totally free markets - or an absolute government control of every aspect of life, on the other hand.


People talk about both. Communists talk about total control of everything. Extremeists from the other end talk about laissez faire capitalism.
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Reply #13 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 9:50am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:06pm:
Skippeeeee...  for your information the sub-prime crisis was due to policies brought in by the Clinton Administration.


Why didn't Bush fix it if it was Clinton's fault? he had 8 long years and in the end pushed the world into a recession.
Oh you rightards always trying to rewrite history aren't you goober?
Guess what? nobody blames Clinton except the bitter rightards like yourself.
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Reply #14 - Aug 16th, 2009 at 10:08am
 
I think you'll find Bush was preoccupied with things other than the economy Skippeeeeeeeeeeee and regulation of the banks etc are not exactly what America is about.

BTW your lies...
I'm not a rightard.  I'm a Lefty.
idiot!
Also many people have mentioned Clinton's culpability.
Ignoramous!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flame away Troll, it'll never make you right.
Living up to your name Skippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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