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Re: I'm an American looking to move to Australia
Reply #45 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 8:39am
 
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At what point in this topic did religion come into it.


Religion didn't enter the topic at all. We were discussing Muslims as a people, not their religious beliefs. As you seemed to be under the impression Muslims in Australia is a bad thing, and we should prevent them being here.

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now, it seems, that is all you do, even if Islam was never bought up.


It's rare that Islam is not brought into a topic on here, and usually not by myself. It's the typical boogey-man used to blame everything from why Brits wave their members at Greek girls in nightclubs to why the world is in such a state of chaos today.

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I think this debate has run it's course my friend.....thankyou for your input, I'm sure you will be please to know I learned a few facts from it.


My pleasure.
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Re: I'm an American looking to move to Australia
Reply #46 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:15pm
 

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Religion didn't enter the topic at all. We were discussing Muslims as a people,


ummmm.......righto......

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
Merou, just out of curiousity are you aware that Muslims have been here since the beginning of European settlement


I do believe this was the first point at which muslims were entered into the topic and look who the author is.

I don't know where you formed the opinion that I don't want muslims here. I don't view a man through his religion but through his actions.

I welcome any person black, white, yellow, buddhist, catholic, muslim, gnostic. My whole argument, admittedly though unfairly centred on Somalis in this instance, is I don't want thousands upon thousands of taxpayer dependant imports.
Plain and simple.
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Reply #47 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:13pm
 
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I do believe this was the first point at which muslims were entered into the topic and look who the author is


Actually, it was at the mention of Somalis. Since they are Muslims, and we both know the reason they are the subject of discussion is because of the high profile arrests over recent days.

Anyway my points still stand for Somalis too, most of them are great contributors to Australian society.

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is I don't want thousands upon thousands of taxpayer dependant imports.


And what I want to know is where you get your facts from that Somalis are taxpayer dependant.
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Re: I'm an American looking to move to Australia
Reply #48 - Aug 9th, 2009 at 8:55pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
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I do believe this was the first point at which muslims were entered into the topic and look who the author is

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
Actually, it was at the mention of Somalis. Since they are Muslims, and we both know the reason they are the subject of discussion is because of the high profile arrests over recent days..


Actually I don't know what arrests you are about, I am at work in the middle of the bush, I don't watch TV or read the papers up here, also as I stated before It had nothing to do with the fact they were muslim.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
Anyway my points still stand for Somalis too, most of them are great contributors to Australian society..


Fantastic, I don't doubt that

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I don't want thousands upon thousands of taxpayer dependant imports.


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From Any country, religion or race.


And what I want to know is where you get your facts from that Somalis are taxpayer dependant.
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Let me state one more time just for you Abu.......
I WELCOME ALL TO AUSTRALIA, UNLESS YOU WILL BE LIVING OFF MY TAXES.
Will you stop bringing muslims in to every debate.
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Reply #49 - Aug 9th, 2009 at 9:36pm
 
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Merou, just out of curiousity are you aware that Muslims have been here since the beginning of European settlement (and before actually), and were quite instrumental in building the Australia we have today?


Oh God what a LOAD OF CRAP. Quite instrumental my left ass cheek.
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Reply #50 - Aug 10th, 2009 at 7:50am
 
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I WELCOME ALL TO AUSTRALIA, UNLESS YOU WILL BE LIVING OFF MY TAXES.


Great, just be sure to research before claiming any specific community are leechers then.
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Reply #51 - Aug 10th, 2009 at 7:56am
 
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Quite instrumental my left ass cheek.


Ok, you don't like my terminology? Let's scrap instrumental and use the terminology from the dfat website:

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these Muslims were vital in the early exploration of inland Australia


Just because you have no respect or honour for those who pioneered this country, who sacrificed their lives so we could share Australia today doesn't mean all of us do.
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Reply #52 - Aug 10th, 2009 at 9:49pm
 
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Now I may never get in that 45% bracket but high taxes are confiscatory to the economy and when you cut taxes govt. revenue actually goes up because it is a domino effect of growth in the economy.


This is a non-sequitor. Whether government revenue goes up or down depends on what level current taxes are at. If you cut taxes from 1% to 0%, government revenue goes down. Obviously there is some taxation rate that maximises government revenue, and it is nowhere near 0%. What this level is would no doubt depend on the robustness of the society as a whole - for example, for an overpopulated society near breaking point it would be lower than for a wealthy, modern industrialised society. There is not a single country on earth whose government could increase revenue by reducing taxation. This line is repeated ad nauseum by empty headed free market extremists for whom capitalism is more a religion than a means to an end, and who have no qualms about sacrificing the truth to attain their version of utopia.

You are also ignoring the fact that the way government spends the income can significantly increase personal wealth of the citizens beyond what it would do if left in private hands.

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Whenever the govt. gets involved in anything it ruins it. In countries with socialized medicine you have long waiting lines for surgeries and you have long ER waiting lines some cancer treatments never happen why would I want that.


As opposed to countries without socialised medicine where the people just die of easily preventable or curable diseases because they can't afford treatment. Now tell me which option 'ruins' it? Even America has a high degree of socialisation medicine because even Americans recognise the inhumanity in denying someone basic medical treatment because they are poor. The rest is just a question of extent - ie what people consider to be basic care. You champion American free market health care, yet seem oblivious to the fact that America's is highly socialised (while providing many examples of this socialism), and would no doubt baulk at the cruelty of a genuine free market system.

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I want a free market health care system that thrives on competition and innovation.


Real innovation can only happen with government sponsored research into basic science - the sort of research that is not economic for the private sector. The sort of innovation that free market capitalism brings to health care is throwing poor people out onto the street so paying customers seeking little blue pills or botox aren't inconvenienced by poor people bleeding all over the floor. One must accept the reality that there are limits to what the free market can provide, and in many areas they fall far short of what we consider acceptable. Health is one industry where socialism definitely comes out on top.

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I want to be able to pick and control who my doctor is and don't want approval from the government. What is hypocritical about that?


Nothing at all, and socialised medicine does not deny you this right.

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We have the highest survival rate of people with cancer and heart disease.


Funny that these are diseases of rich white people who have survived the easily preventable and curable afflictions that still kill many poor people, even in America. You can add a few years to the life and suffering of a 90 year old bed bound rich person by delaying the inevitable at huge expense, while poor people freeze to death on the front step. These treatments would not be possible today without government funded research.

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If you work here you have great health care.


That's a pretty big if. The health care is great compared to a jobless American, but who would want to be a jobless American? Perhaps you should try comparing it to a country with decent health care.

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Nobody leaves here to get treatment in other countries!! Are you kidding me?


Plenty of people do.

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Again the high costs of medical care are the result of govt. regulations and mandates.


I thought you said no-one leaves for cheaper treatment, now you are complaining about the high cost? Are you saying that the cost is high, but that this does not affect anyone's spending habits? That sounds like a crack in capitalism to me.

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But I must tell you the Mexicans and Canadians that come here for medical care is 10000x greater than people that leave here.


So now you admit that people do leave the US for treatment?
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Reply #53 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:11am
 
Americancitizen87 wrote on Aug 5th, 2009 at 1:06am:
I have a couple reasons for hesitation however. The first being that Australia's top tax bracket is 45%. Now I may never get in that 45% bracket but high taxes are confiscatory to the economy and when you cut taxes govt. revenue actually goes up because it is a domino effect of growth in the economy. The labour party apparently screwed the country over when they didn't reduce the top tax bracket to 42% like they said they would. The way to growth is low taxes and limited government. But even lower taxes can supply bigger government due to the revenue that is produced. The other reason I am hesitant to move there is your socialized medicine. You have an overflow of people in your hospitals and you have state run hospitals. Yikes that is terrible.  Please respond, thanks

Yes so true everything is a breaking point due to the amount of immigrants we house and support, if you think here is better than the U.S its no different i stayed in Durham N.C. it beats this hole, if I were you that where I would look. If we didnt have so many blacks muslims and asians we would have a nice safe clean nation and yes you are right about the ecomoic points you made perhaps you could advise Mr Rudd you would be a damn improvement on the current rehtoric
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Reply #54 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:17am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
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I do believe this was the first point at which muslims were entered into the topic and look who the author is


Actually, it was at the mention of Somalis. Since they are Muslims, and we both know the reason they are the subject of discussion is because of the high profile arrests over recent days.

Anyway my points still stand for Somalis too, most of them are great contributors to Australian society.

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is I don't want thousands upon thousands of taxpayer dependant imports.


And what I want to know is where you get your facts from that Somalis are taxpayer dependant.
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Abu Rashid just looking at your avatar tells me you want your kind to control this nation it is sickening and offensive, and of course you would welcome an American why muslims love having Americans around to bomb.
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