Enough flaming and general disrespect.
Is there anyone with ideas on how we can improve these situations?

Hi frag,
How are you ?
What situation do you want to improve ?

To improve most situations, I suggest a massive depopulating of the globe.
By about 30% should do.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2009 at 9:06am:


30% is a good figure, and it should be from those people who consume most global resources. But the question is  - how?

muso - those that consume most of the resources also are the most advanced and intelligent.

Not a good idea to wipe those out.
What about the most backward and dumbest?

Fragmachine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2009 at 6:57am:


The answer will always be wrong if the assumptions are wrong.

There are two schools of thought -

(a) naive kumbaya thoughts which believe that if we are just 'nice' to everyone, they will immediately respect our values customs and beliefs, and that no matter what they believe beforehand, as soon as they arrive and step off onto the tarmac, they will immediately respect, women, democracy, equality, and the rule of law and be productive citizens loyal to this country; or

(b) the above is a load of crap.

And never the twain shall meet.

Fragmachine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2009 at 6:57am:


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Fragmachine,

I take it that you are talking specifically about the 'flaming and general disrespect' on this forum?

As much as i dislike the abuse, of the forum, by some 'contributors' here, i [personally] would not ban anyone.

Freedom of speech, and freedom of expression, is far too important [....in my opinion].

Their irresponsibility, and the abuse of their right of free speech and freedom of expression, by some individuals, is a reflection upon those particular persons.

What anyone prints, and expresses here, reflects directly upon themselves...

• their general point of view [on many life issues],
• [others, perception of] their maturity,
• and often exposes, for all to see, the measure of their [real] respect for the rights of others, to express an opinion when it differers from their own opinion. [And it always amazes me how many people [on forums such as this] claim that they believe in the right of free speech, and the right of freedom of expression, but cannot bear to be offended themselves, and clearly, from their comments you can see that they would instantly gag those 'others', who express an opinion, or point of view, which offends THEM.]

Don't get me wrong, i would like to see something positive done about the 'flaming and general disrespect' on this forum.

But i can't imagine what could be done, without abandoning the PRINCIPLE, of the right of free speech, and the right of freedom of expression?






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Yadda




There is no justice, without free and open TRUTH.

And in the societies of men, there is no peace, without justice.

Do you want peace?

Protect the right of free speech, and the right of freedom of expression.

In an environment which respects the PRINCIPLE, of the right of free speech, and the right of freedom of expression,
....when men speak, then what is TRUTH, and what is lies, and deception, will become apparent.

And that is an 'environment', which every tyrant hates.

muso wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 8:07am:



And,   ....right back at ya.

Yadda wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 7:51am:





Perhaps, as much as it lies within each of us, just try to ignore, and do not respond to those who flame, and disrespect others [and ourselves]?

But i'm open to other suggestions.

Yadda wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 8:58am:


People  who advocate terrorism and hate of others just because of their religion is as disrespectful as it gets.
If they don't want people to diss them,they should stop being so extreme.

We don't need a council of elders, if someone needs banning FD does it.
Just for you newbies who haven't been around for to long,yadda,one of the last people FD banned was boofy but he relented and let him back in, bad move.
This isn't a mothers club meeting or a bible study group if any of you ever post on other political sites you'd know this site is very mellow, sure it gets a bit feisty sometimes, but thats what these sites are about.

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EXACTLY.

No ,as far as I know boofy got banned because he is a pain in the ass, but you'd have to ask FD to be sure.
He did nothing illegal tho, as far as I know, and I don't really believe he should be banned. I was just responding to his childish calls for my banning.

Judging by the way easel was banned all is needed to ban a user is a witch hunt from degenerated mob because FD can not stand against mob pressure.

tallowood wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 11:35am:


Easel got banned because he tried to use this site to hyperlink with the ASIO signals directorate by constantly spamming their images and hotlinking it to this site. That was no doubt done to try to get this place into trouble, and that was a bannable banning banny ban banny offence if ever there was one.

It also wasn't FD that banned him, it was Moazzak because I asked him too. The last thing FD needs is to have his server ripped apart by ASIO because of a muppet like easel.

The Mole wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 12:44pm:


Does "everyone" include everyone including easel?

What is "illegal behaviour" you say easel had done?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 1:22pm:


Such as?

tallowood wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 1:36pm:

Say, spamming every thread with adverts for sportswear for example.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 1:47pm:


Spamming is illegal. See Spam Act 2003.
Anything else?

Calanen wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 2:22pm:


Was he charged and convicted by Commonwealth or was it just allegations by mobsters?
Where are the facts of easel stealing bandwidth from FD apart from normal forum usage?
Are there any records to confirm the allegations or is it just a hearsay and rumours circulated by mob.

Calanen wrote on Jul 24^th, 2009 at 2:22pm:


I must have missed that bit. Maybe that explains the dns problems.

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And why is that Skippy? After all there are people here who would like to see you banned as well. People should be allowed to be themselves.

Let people post what they want? Give your views but don't advocate banning someone unless there's a good reason.

lol

At least I was making a constructive (on topic) suggestion, Skipeee. 

I could of course have dragged up your past and all the bile and crap you post to various people but the site limits are rather restrictive 

Grendel wrote on Jul 25^th, 2009 at 3:35pm:



I can add to that file of yours on Skippy, Grendel, if you wish.

Hi, Skip!!

Both of you need to pull your heads in, especially you Grendel, you need to stop playing the victim.
Your history of abuse towards skippy goes way back before this forum even existed, and you have both been going at each other ever since, and neither of you are innocent, you both give plenty to the other.
That said, lately, Skippy has been far more restrained than you, and posted relevant ideas that are on topic, to which you have just attacked him.
Before that he was being childish, and it was pointed out to him, and to his credit, he has since tried to stay on topic.
You are both valued contributors here, and it is time to at least try a truce, otherwise we all lose out.

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Reading was a problem for you at Grade 12, Skippy?  No, I have no file on you, or anyone on the www.  All I did was offer to contribute to Grendel's intelligence.  As you know, sonny boy, I have some rippers on you.

Aussie wrote on Jul 25^th, 2009 at 8:14pm:

Tell us the one about the Chinese boarder. 

Once again we have what is more imagined than real, being the focus of the lunatic fringe, who are so good at seeing what isn't there.

Kick back a while, Uncle Aussie's gonna tell us the yarn about Fug Yu, his Chinese boarder. 

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Yessir, sonny boy. Banned from  your mate DT's Forum on HIS allegation that I stalked HIS muppet, Machi.

But, sonny boy, never have I been caught barefaced and brazenly lying, like you have, hey!

Calanen wrote on Jul 25^th, 2009 at 9:19pm:


Yes, let's live in the real world. So where are the posts you are talking about?

yawn Skipeee

Self delusion must be a wonderful thing.  

keep them flames a comin'

Grendel wrote on Jul 26^th, 2009 at 10:57pm:


The mods arn't as delusional  as you boofee, I'm sure they can see that this post of yours is yet another " I'm a victim flame".

tallowood wrote on Jul 27^th, 2009 at 7:46am:

You're assuming that no one has kept records of his spamming. As I witnessed them directly, I have seen evidence of his spamming.

Tallo, I suggest that if you value the insane paranoid ravings of the type that were removed, then go to extremist conspiracy sites, they will be chock full of nutty goodness that you may relate to.

Amadd wrote on Jul 27^th, 2009 at 1:47pm:


Yes, Amadd, something had to be done to Easel just like something had to be done to the boy in Melburn so coppers shoot him. Do you remember that thread?

Many people would loose balance under barrage of continues insults.  And the person who did it to Easel later banned him for Easel kicking back. May I remind you that militant atheists in USSR did much the same to mass murder other religionites.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 10:06am:



Which other 2 sites?

Spamming is illegal but did Easel do spamming or extreme political messaging?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2009 at 9:06am:

I think more along the lines of about 70% and even then those who remain should prove themselves worthy