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Question: Should Australia arrest chinese spies too?

Yes    
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No    
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Too dangerous    
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Green tea is too good    
  1 (20.0%)




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« Created by: tallowood on: Jul 14th, 2009 at 10:22am »

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Reply #15 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm
 
Don't think it will be damaging for us if develop our own manufacturing industries.

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Reply #16 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:27pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm:
Don't think it will be damaging for us if develop our own manufacturing industries.

Until they demand our governments break laws.
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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:35pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:27pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm:
Don't think it will be damaging for us if develop our own manufacturing industries.

Until they demand our governments break laws.


They don't need to demand that it's happening already.


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Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 3:08pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:35pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:27pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm:
Don't think it will be damaging for us if develop our own manufacturing industries.

Until they demand our governments break laws.

They don't need to demand that it's happening already.

I have a feeling that what the Chinese will soon expect of Australian governments, their ministers and officials will make Gordon Nuttall look like a paradigm of propriety.
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Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:39pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 3:08pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:35pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:27pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 12:02pm:
Don't think it will be damaging for us if develop our own manufacturing industries.

Until they demand our governments break laws.

They don't need to demand that it's happening already.

I have a feeling that what the Chinese will soon expect of Australian governments, their ministers and officials will make Gordon Nuttall look like a paradigm of propriety.


China may expect many things but it does not mean they goingto get them.

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Australia and China traded warnings on Thursday over the spy case, while the United States urged Beijing to ensure transparency and fair treatment for staff of foreign companies.


http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSSYD38659620090717
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Reply #20 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:55pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
China may expect many things but it does not mean they goingto get them.

That won't be Beijing's story. If the Chinese don't get their way, I will bet they'll take some kind of punitive economic action to pressure our government(s). The Chinese authorities are belligerent and arrogant and don't appear to accept the limitations of governmental power in democratic states.
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Reply #21 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:19pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
China may expect many things but it does not mean they goingto get them.

That won't be Beijing's story. If the Chinese don't get their way, I will bet they'll take some kind of punitive economic action to pressure our government(s). The Chinese authorities are belligerent and arrogant and don't appear to accept the limitations of governmental power in democratic states.


Well, they can stop buying our resources and selling to us their crappy products but it will be only good for Australia.

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Reply #22 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:21pm
 
It also will be good for the environment. Ask muso if you don't believe me.
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Reply #23 - Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:22pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
China may expect many things but it does not mean they goingto get them.

That won't be Beijing's story. If the Chinese don't get their way, I will bet they'll take some kind of punitive economic action to pressure our government(s). The Chinese authorities are belligerent and arrogant and don't appear to accept the limitations of governmental power in democratic states.


Well, they can stop buying our resources and selling to us their crappy products but it will be only good for Australia.


Not if they actively seek to block our access to other potential markets for our resources, such as India.
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Reply #24 - Jul 19th, 2009 at 10:32am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:22pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
China may expect many things but it does not mean they goingto get them.

That won't be Beijing's story. If the Chinese don't get their way, I will bet they'll take some kind of punitive economic action to pressure our government(s). The Chinese authorities are belligerent and arrogant and don't appear to accept the limitations of governmental power in democratic states.


Well, they can stop buying our resources and selling to us their crappy products but it will be only good for Australia.

Not if they actively seek to block our access to other potential markets for our resources, such as India.



That would be 2 birds with one stone though I don't see how Chinese can control Indians. They have some territorial dispute going on for a while  and Chinese were unable to force the issue. The can't even control Taiwan.


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Reply #25 - Jul 19th, 2009 at 10:39am
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 19th, 2009 at 10:32am:
That would be 2 birds with one stone though I don't see how Chinese can control Indians. They have some territorial dispute going on for a while  and Chinese were unable to force the issue. The can't even control Taiwan.

That would depend on whether their need is great. Necessity being the mother of invention (or the father of resolve).
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Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 10:20am
 
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/840572/four-flicks-cut-from-melbourne-film-fest
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Reply #27 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:35am
 
Yeswith a never ever to be released date, personaly I would opt to execute them but the oposition would force me to accept a lock em up in solitary for life comprimise.
As for the one the Asians have who cares he is Asian anyway let them keep him.
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Reply #28 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 12:18am
 
oznationalist wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:35am:
As for the one the Asians have who cares he is Asian anyway let them keep him.

Regardless of the fact that Asians should probably not be naturalized as Australian citizens, that Asian is an Australian citizen and thus the Australian government has something of an obligation to him and would lose face by failing to do its duty.  One can reform immigration and citizenship in favor of the Anglo-Celtic Australian nation without abrogating existing responsibilities of the state.
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Reply #29 - Aug 19th, 2009 at 7:33pm
 
Coral Sea wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 12:18am:
oznationalist wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:35am:
As for the one the Asians have who cares he is Asian anyway let them keep him.

Regardless of the fact that Asians should probably not be naturalized as Australian citizens, that Asian is an Australian citizen and thus the Australian government has something of an obligation to him and would lose face by failing to do its duty.  One can reform immigration and citizenship in favor of the Anglo-Celtic Australian nation without abrogating existing responsibilities of the state.

Perhaps so but what is good for one is bad for another if we are to keep such obligations while mainting what is best for us then we must not allow non White immigrants to have better rights than us, in fact our rights should always be greater than theirs, and this is not the case. Immigrants should not have a right to vote, they should pay a few percent higher tax, and they should not be permitted to own more than 49% of any business nor should they have the privellidge of investing in second real estate properties or any other means of profiteering from our people, what is bad for them is good for us anything less is a betrayl by our leaders upon our nation and it people.
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